Punisher74 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Another thing I've noticed and the under performance if Anti-Aliasing filters. with MSAA Set on 4x the close lines are jagged, the FPS is very high the distant mountains edges look great, but runways, Power lines, distance bridge outlines all look horrible. I'm not talking major distances on these runways i'm talking with in 75 to 100ft and greater. its the constant flickering of the whit noise within these edges. People may say its your video card, but truth be told its designed for DX 11 and up and well within the means to handle 120 FPS and Greater at MSSA settings of 4x with 0 drops in FPS and not have such shuttering of the edges. as per AMD with MSSA at 4x the lines should be smooth with a mild sharpness and 0 whit noise. In-Game Anisotropic Filter 16x Model Visible Enlarged MSAA 4x CIV Traffic, heat blur off All Shadows off Water Medium Everything else High CCC Settings AA Mode, Samples Use app settings Filter Edge Detect AA Method Super Morphological Filtering on Anisotropic Filter Method, level Use App wait for Vertical Refresh off unless needed by app OpenGl on Tessellation Mode and level AMD Optimized Frame Pacing On Crossfire Default or 1x1 both give same results Please note I've been testing out different settings to find the best performance for both in game and Card workload. Look Thru the HUD Out in the distance passed the taxi way Passed the bridge in the distance In the distance just below the mountains FPS Drops and hardware monitoring files of gameplay.zip Edited October 4, 2015 by raptorsim Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
FSKRipper Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 At least compareable screenshots would be nice... i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
69iAFMike Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) CCC Settings AA Mode, Samples Use app settings Filter Edge Detect AA Method Super Morphological Filtering on I don't think these settings do anything. Apart from Adaptive, which allows to antialias alpha (which destroys the framerate on my card), the various modes and filters don't do anything at all. The ingame AA setting works it's own magic regardless of overriding or enhancing it in CCC. Edited October 3, 2015 by 69iAF~Mike
Punisher74 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Posted October 3, 2015 I don't think these settings do anything. Apart from Adaptive, which allows to antialias alpha (which destroys the framerate on my card), the various modes and filters don't do anything at all. The ingame AA setting works it's own magic regardless of overriding or enhancing it in CCC. And there no difference on too. Just slight drops in FPS. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Hanley Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 MSAA at 16Q looks good and runs fine for me. Anisotropic is a fps killer with my rig. However, the only place I really notice anisotropic is on the runway and since I don't spend much time there I simply leave it off.
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) MSAA at 16Q looks good and runs fine for me. Anisotropic is a fps killer with my rig. However, the only place I really notice anisotropic is on the runway and since I don't spend much time there I simply leave it off. I tried 16x msaa all I saw was a washed out runway, and the jagged edges was still there. A tried 8x msaa and 8x anisotropic and was better but with TGP off and mavs off when I hit the 150,000 preload I also noticed a 50% drop in FPS to load the screen. I think multi GPU and CPU support would fix that. Also the heavy memory usage should fix loading of new objects. CPU has 4.0ghz and GPU has 1120ghz you'd think multi GPU and CPU support would make things much more smooth. Edited October 4, 2015 by raptorsim Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Haukka81 Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Or just get very high Rez display :D I have 2560x1440 rez and even 2XAA and 16XAF is enough to get rid of jaggies :) But i agree with op, AA quality is not good as it could be , strange white noise here and there. Cant get rid of it completely but i can live with it for now.. Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 Or just get very high Rez display :D I have 2560x1440 rez and even 2XAA and 16XAF is enough to get rid of jaggies :) But i agree with op, AA quality is not good as it could be , strange white noise here and there. Cant get rid of it completely but i can live with it for now.. I completely agree, it's a Beta version. There are supposed to be issues to be ironed out. As for my display I'm only running at 1080p on a 55" Samsung 240 Hertz HD TV. But that's only for now. 4K comes next, and higher GPU's. Also with the extreme support behind DCS 1.5 I'm sure the Dev team is overwhelmed with bug reports and I'm certain ED will square away this game by its 2.0 release. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Wolf Rider Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 ~ In-Game Anisotropic Filter 16x Model Visible Enlarged MSAA 4x CIV Traffic, heat blur off All Shadows off Water Medium Everything else High CCC Settings AA Mode, Samples Use app settings Filter Edge Detect AA Method Super Morphological Filtering on Anisotropic Filter Method, level Use App wait for Vertical Refresh off unless needed by app OpenGl on Tessellation Mode and level AMD Optimized Frame Pacing On Crossfire Default or 1x1 both give same results ~ wasn't aware DCS used OpenGL or Tesselation? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 wasn't aware DCS used OpenGL or Tesselation? That not in game settings. It's the cards settings CCC = catalyst control Center Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
skouras Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 set aa in game at 16Q then go to nvidia control panel and set AA transparency supersampling from 8 down to 4 (or below if you wish) once i did that my FPS explode to 60 stable without any stutters at all,and the best part is that AA is super:) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 set aa in game at 16Q then go to nvidia control panel and set AA transparency supersampling from 8 down to 4 (or below if you wish) once i did that my FPS explode to 60 stable without any stutters at all,and the best part is that AA is super:) I have AMD cards not nvidia. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Wolf Rider Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) @ Raptorsim... I understand they are the CCC settings, and not In Game settings... can they be turned off? if set off, does that make a difference? Edited October 4, 2015 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Hanley Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 I have AMD also, raptorsim, but I don't use the CCC because I've had better results tweaking the graphics using the settings in the sim. Maybe the CCC is actually messing things up for you.
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 I have AMD also, raptorsim, but I don't use the CCC because I've had better results tweaking the graphics using the settings in the sim. Maybe the CCC is actually messing things up for you. I basically turned off every setting in CCC to Use App settings, and only tweaking in-game settings. I just uploaded all the Hardware monitoring log file, images of AA issues and more to this post so the devs can see and make adjustments to the memory usage, AA, etc. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
FSKRipper Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Maybe you even tried it but have you ever tried shutting down CCC before the start of DCS? Did some magic for me during the old days... i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Punisher74 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Posted October 6, 2015 Maybe you even tried it but have you ever tried shutting down CCC before the start of DCS? Did some magic for me during the old days... Yes I turn it off when running afterburner to record videos no change. Has anyone noticed the insane CPU usage? All 8 of my cores were running at 75% or more. RAM started at 6.5 GHz and ramped up to 8+ Ghz. I'm thinking of assigning 1 core straight to DCS to improve performance. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Bobby Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) ~S i used settings from first post and now i have +10 Fps ...~50-80fps...with Crossfire ON.....excellent my GPU is Asus ati 6990 Crossfire 4GB, Cpu is Xeon X5460 thx for info Raptorsim with CPU i have same prob....i think this is Win10 Pro bug or something like that.... can you pls make screenshot of CPU usage..... Edited October 8, 2015 by =Bobby=
FSKRipper Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 ~S i used settings from first post and now i have +10 Fps ...~50-80fps...with Crossfire ON.....excellent my GPU is Asus ati 6990 Crossfire 4GB, Cpu is Xeon X5460 thx for info Raptorsim with CPU i have same prob....i think this is Win10 Pro bug or something like that.... can you pls make screenshot of CPU usage..... Sure it isn't this? http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2510887&postcount=7 i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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