BudgietheLittleHelicopter Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 When selecting a target with the central piper on the hud (after pressing c), and using tms long to store the target. The target is not saved correctly, but jumps to a different place (I suspect one of the pre-programmed waypoints).
BSS_Sniper Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 I'm not sure what you're talking about. I haven't seen any problem when using TMS to mark a point a SPI. I was just dropping CBU 105s and GBU 12's and didn't miss any targets or notice anything out of the norm. I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
Yurgon Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) When selecting a target with the central piper on the hud (after pressing c), and using tms long to store the target. The target is not saved correctly, but jumps to a different place (I suspect one of the pre-programmed waypoints). Your terminology is off in so many ways it is very difficult to understand what you try to achieve, and that makes it very difficult to help you or even just point you in the right direction, let alone understand why this constitutes as a bug in DCS (whatever "this" is). Regarding your terminology: I'm not familiar with any function that is known as "Selecting a target" in the A-10C (I think I know what a target is and how to select it, but we probably have a different understanding regarding this term) Which pipper (with two "p", unlike the bagpiper) do you refer to? CCIP pipper? TVV? TDC? TGP diamond? (Most of which aren't pippers at all) The "c" key is "China Hat Aft" and, depending on SOI, could mean Boresight TGP or Cage TDC to TVV (among others) on a short press and Slave TGP to Steerpoint on a long press. TMS long - in what direction? It could be Make SPI, SPI to Steerpoint or Markpoint or could not have a function depending on SOI and direction. What do you mean by "saving a target correctly"? How could the target jump to a different place depending on your HOTAS actions (if it does, it is most definitely a bug!)? Or do you mean your TGP looks in a different direction after you perform a HOTAS action but the target (as best you can tell) remains in place? :music_whistling: :helpsmilie: I know that the A-10C is not the most intuitive aircraft to use; in fact I think it is one of the most difficult aircraft to understand in DCS. That's why I think you should familiarize yourself with the basic concepts and the associated terminology. Otherwise, we could go TMS this and China Hat that all day long but would still be speaking different languages. :smartass: My suggestion would be that you use the in-game training missions (Main Menu -> Training -> A-10C), most importantly "Introduction to the A-10C" and "HOTAS Fundamentals", and then write a follow-up and clarify what you did, what you expected and why the observed behavior seems to be a bug. Edited October 5, 2015 by Yurgon Got myself confused regarding what is a pipper and what isn't
Vantskruv Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I think he means he have problems to slaving all sensors to SPI. I've noticed this aswell, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it wrong. Example of my problem while setting SPI with TGP and slave all sensor to it: To begin with, I have HUD as SOI and a markpoint A selected, I slave all my sensors with CHINA HAT long forward. As this is done, TGP moves and points to the markpoint as expected. Edit: Actually I do not remember if I do the CHINA HAT long forward with TGP as SOI, sorry, need to check that when I come home... With the TGP as SOI, I slew it to a target of my choice, then make that point as SPI by pressing TMS long up. Then I slave all my sensors to that SPI by CHINA HAT long forward. This is when the problem comes, as some times the previous SPI (markpoint A in this case) still is SPI (as if the SPI set at the slewed target did not get set), and TGP will slew back to my markpoint, instead of still pointing to the target that I slewed to. So then, I again need to do the process by finding the target and setting it as SPI and slaving all sensor to it, hoping it will not slew back to my markpoint. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, which is very irritating when you have found your target.
Andryl Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 This is when the problem comes, as some times the previous SPI (markpoint A in this case) still is SPI (as if the SPI set at the slewed target did not get set), and TGP will slew back to my markpoint, instead of still pointing to the target that I slewed to. So then, I again need to do the process by finding the target and setting it as SPI and slaving all sensor to it, hoping it will not slew back to my markpoint. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, which is very irritating when you have found your target. The same problem happened to me a couple of days ago: with TGP as SOI I pressed TMS fwd long, then pressed China Hat fwd long and the TGP jumped to the steerpoint. It didn't happen with Maveric as SOI. Hope this helps ASUS Z170 PRO Gaming || i7x6700K@4.6GHz || Noctua NH-U14S || Corsair16GB DDR4 - 3000MHz || Asus Strix GTX-1080 TI-11GB || TrackIr 5Pro || Saitek x-55 Rhino || Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals || Win10 pro
BudgietheLittleHelicopter Posted October 5, 2015 Author Posted October 5, 2015 Perhaps the problem is with the TMS fwd long? Hi guys, thanks for your replies. My post was a bit hurried and I am not very good with the jargon so my post was not very helpful. I spent the last hour trying to replicate the problem, and failed. I tried the Georgian campaign and the instant action Eastern Georgia easy. However, the TMS forward long command with my Hotas Warthog does not seem to be recognized always. I am wondering whether that is the deeper problem. Note that I checked the joystick itself by using tms forward/up in the set controls menu and there it always registered the button. Just a bit of background I have done all the training missions, completed the main campaign a couple of times, and I am pretty comfortable with the a10c. I routinely select targets on my hud, then switch to the tgp to pinpoint the target for my cluster bombs and do the ccrp bombing. I am very confident that the behaviour of the plane yesterday was different than normal. I'll try to gather some more proof and will add it to this thread.
Yurgon Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 With the TGP as SOI, I slew it to a target of my choice, then make that point as SPI by pressing TMS long up. I see. When you do that, do you check that the HUD reads TGP in the lower left corner (instead of STPT)? That lower left bit of information in the HUD is the current SPI generator, and as long as it reads TGP, Slave all to SPI shouldn't slew the TGP away (because by definition the TGP then is the SPI generator). I didn't have this problem so far, but of course it would be good to know if setting the SPI generator fails or if the SPI generator somehow gets reset or ignored when something like Slave all to SPI is selected. I'll try to gather some more proof and will add it to this thread. Jolly good, mate. :thumbup: I just flew the first of the Instant Action missions and didn't notice anything wrong with the SPI, but I'll also keep my eyes open for any weird behavior there.
Vantskruv Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Thank you very much Yurgon, have not thought about the HUD representing which sensor is set as SPI. I need to check this out when I come home. Also I'm discussing with myself, maybe a bit value returned by one of my synapses may get flipped, so sometimes I may press CHINA HAT long backwards instead of long forwards withou noticing it...:unsure:
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