FSKRipper Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 So most times I have flown at day or night but I created a mission east of Poti where I'm flying low over the woods. As you can see on the attached screenshot there is no problem with the trees, shadows or the weather. But switching to a daytime with intense lightning the fps drop from 80+ to 20!!!.fpstest.miz i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FSKRipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 You may notice a drop in fps with the cockpit lights but a drop by 75%? Are you serious? Also, sitting on the runway with cockpit lights on won't show such degraded performance. i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
OttoPus Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Forest trees are still buggy, this issue was posted on the forum a month ago by me and other users, but never got the "REPORTED" status as far as I know. It's a serious issue that make some parts of the map a low-fps-high-lag-stutterfest experience. This is an Open Beta, so this type of issue can popup and has to be dealt with in time.... hopefully before the Beta period ends :D
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 This bug its not related to dusk down light. Its because trees forest shadows. I have the exact same fps at down dusk morning afternoon light. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
FSKRipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) This bug its not related to dusk down light. Its because trees forest shadows. I have the exact same fps at down dusk morning afternoon light. But could it be related to special places on the map? As you can see below I can make a flight over Batumi with quite a lot of trees with out there but my fps seems to be not very much impressed... Maybe only the masses make the difference? Edited November 19, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Try to fly very low and keep the main forest body at your 9 or 3 o clock and look at it. Test this also at 12:00. There are a modification made by Mustang that delete the forest shadows that make the FPS very stable almost at any situation. I have used your test mission at different times and i have always the same FPS. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
FSKRipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Try to fly very low and keep the main forest body at your 9 or 3 o clock and look at it. Test this also at 12:00. There are a modification made by Mustang that delete the forest shadows that make the FPS very stable almost at any situation. I have used your test mission at different times and i have always the same FPS. Do you mean you had also bad fps at 12:00 in my test mission? I was in the same position at both tests. There was no problem for me as seen in the first post. Almost 80-90fps. Will try a treetop flight at Batumi and report back. So far the tree shadows seem to hit my fps only at sunrise/sunset. i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 No. I mean that i dont have fps problem at any time since im using the no shadow files from Mustang. So i suggest you to test flying very low through a forest and look at your 9-3 o clock at dusk-down and also at 12:00 and then test the same using the Mustangs mod. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
FSKRipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) No. I mean that i dont have fps problem at any time since im using the no shadow files from Mustang. So i suggest you to test flying very low through a forest and look at your 9-3 o clock at dusk-down and also at 12:00 and then test the same using the Mustangs mod. Ok, made the test runs. 1. You are right, most of the performance loss seems to be connectedt to the shadow issue. As longer as the shadows are, the more loss of performance. I have to add that I have seen this issue only in the area east of Poti but this could be due to the GTX980 performance. 2. Even with Mustangs shadow removal I noticed a drop of 20fps during sunset (see picture 2 and 3). In picture 3 I turned cockpit illumination off to eleminate this factor but it had no effect on overall fps. Edited November 19, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Well we are isolating your problem. Its strange because i dont have any fps problem related to daytime. Only because forest shadows so i dont know what to said. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
FSKRipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Well we are isolating your problem. Its strange because i dont have any fps problem related to daytime. Only because forest shadows so i dont know what to said. Could be many factors, I have attached my ingame settings. Maybe the longer dynamic shadows of civillian traffic or other effects could cause some issues... EDIT: Can't test it since I'm at work now but are clutter/bushes are projecting any kind of shadows? Edited November 19, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 You have a better graphic card than mine so i cant suggest you to change anything but in my opinion maybe you could try lower visibility settings like ultra or high instead extreme. Ive noticed that south Georgia area, Poti Kutaisi Sukhumi is the most demanding fps zone of all caucasus. A very large and long valley with a lot of villages, towns and cities with nearly no obstacles that could limit your view. The larger view the bigger impact and with the extreme option and forest shadows maybe its to much even for a 980. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Nedum Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I have tested this very long and very intensive. My conclusion is: It's a tree problem which will be more intense if the shadows are more visible. Even with no shadows there are some areas which give me a stutter fest only with a few trees (5 trees with the quick free flight K-4 mission). My setting was "no shadows" and a single line of 5 trees drops my fps from 90 to 21. Perhaps this has something to do that one tree is built with several flat skins and those are not compatible with the new 3D engine. Every single flat skin/layer of a tree tries to produce a shadow and the shadows itself try to produce another one, because all those skins are only layers and the engine doesn't really know which one is a shadow and which one is a "tree". So the shadow itself will be noticed as a tree and produce another shadow (a shadow of a shadow). I would like to see the performance without the trees. Maybe this is the reason for the memory overflow? What I have noticed was that the shadows itself only make the problem more visible, but they are not the main reason. I think with the old tree model we will stay with this problem. CPU: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D, System-RAM: 64 GB DDR5, GPU: nVidia 5090, Monitor: LG 38" 3840*1600, VR-HMD: Pimax Crystal/Super, OS: Windows 11 Pro, HD: 2*2TB and 1*4 TB (DCS) Samsung M.2 SSD HOTAS Throttle: TM Warthog Throttle with TM F16 Grip, Orion2 Throttle with F15EX II Grip with Finger Lifts HOTAS Sticks: Moza FFB A9 Base with TM F16 Stick, FSSB R3 Base with TM F16 Stick Rudder: WinWing Orion Metal
FSKRipper Posted November 20, 2015 Author Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I have tested this very long and very intensive. My conclusion is: It's a tree problem which will be more intense if the shadows are more visible. Even with no shadows there are some areas which give me a stutter fest only with a few trees (5 trees with the quick free flight K-4 mission). My setting was "no shadows" and a single line of 5 trees drops my fps from 90 to 21. Perhaps this has something to do that one tree is built with several flat skins and those are not compatible with the new 3D engine. Every single flat skin/layer of a tree tries to produce a shadow and the shadows itself try to produce another one, because all those skins are only layers and the engine doesn't really know which one is a shadow and which one is a "tree". So the shadow itself will be noticed as a tree and produce another shadow (a shadow of a shadow). I would like to see the performance without the trees. Maybe this is the reason for the memory overflow? What I have noticed was that the shadows itself only make the problem more visible, but they are not the main reason. I think with the old tree model we will stay with this problem. Did you set no shadows in options or used the complete removal by Mustangs mod? Even with shadows on I have no problems with the trees in daylight conditions (see pic 1). Only longer shadows will lead to a significant drop of performance (pic 2). When playing without any tree shadows the sunset lightning still produce a minor performance drop compared to daylight flying over the same spot (as posted above). I have to add that the fps counter in pic 1 dropped to ~80 because of hitting the screenshot button. In regular flight it's pending around 100fps... Edited November 20, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FSKRipper Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 No idea what you did ED but after todays update 2 it is much better now. :thumbup: i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FSKRipper Posted December 11, 2015 Author Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Updated to 1.5.2, back to the old problems...:cry: Edited December 11, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Slippery Pete Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 This isnt really related to the FPS, but at night, not dusk, but night-night, my water is bright, and clearly visible orange color at all times. Is this what other people see? It seems odd. Might not be too visible in the pic, but I've seen other people's screen shots where the water looks dark/black, not sure what's going on my end.
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