Mirage 2000 Discussion (On Topic Only)

[Hook47]

The other thread was closed, so here is a new discussion thread for those who want to continue. Seems the old thread was closed for off topic chat, so I suppose we ought to keep it strictly on the M2000C here. No comparisons or OT chat. I definitely want a discussion thread open so we can keep up the discourse with the devs.

 

So I noticed the Devs stated they are still tracking for a mid month release. My next question to them would be since the EFM will be in Beta at the time of release, what aspects of the EFM do they feel will need further development? Will it be based on player input and glitches, or further R&D of the flight model (or both)

[PiedDroit]

Good idea, I hope this one will stay on track :thumbup:

Here's a link to the old thread, for reference:

DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[Hook47]

Thanks, we will keep this one on the straight and narrow.

[Zeus67]

So I noticed the Devs stated they are still tracking for a mid month release. My next question to them would be since the EFM will be in Beta at the time of release, what aspects of the EFM do they feel will need further development? Will it be based on player input and glitches, or further R&D of the flight model (or both)

 

It will be both. But we are confident that all it needs for now is refining.

[Zeus67]

ILS landing with the M-2000C

 

 

The HUD is in Approach mode. The open box and the dotted line representing runway direction appear when you have a localizer signal.

 

The closed box appear when you have both localizer and glideslope. You have to place the FPM inside the box to remain in the path. The small flashing triangles appear when your deviation is excessive.

 

The synthetic runway only appears if the INS system is on and you have both localizer and glideslope. It is placed at the exact position where the runway is, so you can spot it in low visibility conditions.

[Hook47]

THANKS! Awesome videos and I am so glad I opened this thread! I/we won't mess this one up, and thanks for the response to my question. You guys have awesome communication and I've already bought two of your M2000s lol

 

The way that ILS works is incredible! Also heard some new cockpit audio which sounded great. I noticed some right rudder on the runway to keep her straight? Is that normal input? Also noticed the synthetic runway was a good bit above the real deal, does this represent minimum decision altitude?

Edited December 10, 2015 by Hook47

[Corsair]

If I recall, the ILS FPM cue is represented by a small asterisk (inside the FPM circle when aligned), not a box.

[TomOnSteam]

Very cool! I cannot wait to land at night :)

 

Can the autopilot also land using ILS?

[Zeus67]

If I recall, the ILS FPM cue is represented by a small asterisk (inside the FPM circle when aligned), not a box.

 

The asterisk cue is for INS assisted landings, without using the ILS.

That system will be available after open beta.

[Zeus67]

THANKS! Awesome videos and I am so glad I opened this thread! I/we won't mess this one up, and thanks for the response to my question. You guys have awesome communication and I've already bought two of your M2000s lol

 

The way that ILS works is incredible! Also heard some new cockpit audio which sounded great. I noticed some right rudder on the runway to keep her straight? Is that normal input? Also noticed the synthetic runway was a good bit above the real deal, does this represent minimum decision altitude?

 

Yeah, the aircraft is a bit too sensitive, actually a LOT, to course corrections when in the runway. We are trying to dampen it and this is the latest result.

 

One advice, it will also appear on the manual:

 

1. Landing speeds are between 180 to 140. Book says 140, but a Kfir-C2 pilot told us that delta winged aircraft land better at 180.

 

2. Do NOT apply brakes before your speed is below 90 KIAS. One way to brake fast is to keep the nose up until your speed drops below 100 KIAS, essentially using your wings as a big aero brake. I have not mastered that so I just open the air brakes, I need more runway but it is safer for me.

 

3. The NWS is active only at 40 KIAS or below. Again, at high speeds, the aircraft steering is very sensitive and you can end up doing a turtle on the runway or moving sideways and destroying the landing gear.

 

It took me a lot of tries before i could land the aircraft safely. Many times in ended landing before the runway or sliding out of control because over corrections while steering or applying the brakes too soon. At last I learned to let the aircraft slow down with the aero brakes and just to keep it semi centered on the runway until it is safe for me to apply brakes and steer.

[Zeus67]

Some of my more survivable landings:

 

In this one the aircraft rolled on the ground after I applied brakes too soon.

 

In this one, I landed too fast and oversteered:

[PiedDroit]

It took me a lot of tries before i could land the aircraft safely. Many times in ended landing before the runway or sliding out of control because over corrections while steering or applying the brakes too soon. At last I learned to let the aircraft slow down with the aero brakes and just to keep it semi centered on the runway until it is safe for me to apply brakes and steer.

Nice, very nice, too easy landings are no fun, hehehe.

[Corrigan]

Is there anti-skid for the brakes? Is losing control when braking at higher speed (90+ KIAS) realistic? I ask since some of the other modules (A-10C, F-15C) have some brake realism issues.

 

It looks amazing! I really can't wait.

[Zeus67]

Is there anti-skid for the brakes? Is losing control when braking at higher speed (90+ KIAS) realistic? I ask since some of the other modules (A-10C, F-15C) have some brake realism issues.

 

It looks amazing! I really can't wait.

 

Yes, there is anti-skid for the brakes, but still this is a very fast and light aircraft so losing control when braking at high speeds is a big possibility. This is the reason why the pilots of the real aircraft are taught that aero braking maneuver to kill speed as fast as possible.

[PiedDroit]

Yes, there is anti-skid for the brakes, but still this is a very fast and light aircraft so losing control when braking at high speeds is a big possibility. This is the reason why the pilots of the real aircraft are taught that aero braking maneuver to kill speed as fast as possible.

The aerobraking is pretty mysterious to me (I mostly flown SU-25T, A-10C and MiG-21BIS, never used it), I hope there will some good tutorials about it.

[Zeus67]

The aerobraking is pretty mysterious to me (I mostly flown SU-25T, A-10C and MiG-21BIS, never used it), I hope there will some good tutorials about it.

 

Here is a video of a Mirage 2000D aerobraking (at the 50 second mark):

 

[PiedDroit]

I know what it is, but the few times I attempt it (with MiG-21), I got back in the air or I destroyed my landing gear (when putting the nose down) - So I use the parachute instead...

[Corsair]

1. Landing speeds are between 180 to 140. Book says 140, but a Kfir-C2 pilot told us that delta winged aircraft land better at 180.

That Kfir pilot precisely pilots a Kfir.. very different beast. What is Kfir's AoA during final ?

[Zeus67]

I know what it is, but the few times I attempt it (with MiG-21), I got back in the air or I destroyed my landing gear (when putting the nose down) - So I use the parachute instead...

 

And that is why I use the air brakes myself.

[Zeus67]

That Kfir pilot precisely pilots a Kfir.. very different beast. What is Kfir's AoA during final ?

 

It still is a Mirage III based delta wing. I don't know the book's stated landing speed nor its AOA for a Kfir.

 

Let's not derail this thread, Ok? He is a professional pilot and he used to fly delta wings, and he fought in the only air war between South American countries. He is now flying a desk because he was promoted away from the flight line.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Zeus67

[Corrigan]

Hey Zeus, why is the artificial runway in the air above the actual runway, and not closer to the ground? Just a temporary bug in your current build, or maybe a feature from the actual aircraft?

[Zeus67]

Hey Zeus, why is the artificial runway in the air above the actual runway, and not closer to the ground? Just a temporary bug in your current build, or maybe a feature from the actual aircraft?

 

It is a function of the system used by DCS to paint ground objects in the HUD. I cannot do anything about it. It is not a bug but a feature. :music_whistling:

[Teeter]

ILS landing with the M-2000C

 

 

The HUD is in Approach mode. The open box and the dotted line representing runway direction appear when you have a localizer signal.

 

The closed box appear when you have both localizer and glideslope. You have to place the FPM inside the box to remain in the path. The small flashing triangles appear when your deviation is excessive.

 

The synthetic runway only appears if the INS system is on and you have both localizer and glideslope. It is placed at the exact position where the runway is, so you can spot it in low visibility conditions.

 

Right before touchdown, it seems that the runway overlay is actually a few metres above the runway. I found it very distracting. Is this the correct behavior?

[Teeter]

As well, when taxiing, something seems off about the gear angle to the turn rate of the aircraft. It seems that the turn rate is lower than the angle of the nose gear should cause. Is this an artefact of the tweaking you mentioned higher in the thread?

[dartuil]

Hello,

 

I Dont know if already asked but M2000 will release on 1.5 or 2.0?

Sorry if already answered. :(