Mirage 2000 Discussion (On Topic Only)

[Zeus67]

Right before touchdown, it seems that the runway overlay is actually a few metres above the runway. I found it very distracting. Is this the correct behavior?

 

It is for the DCS version. I cannot do anything about it. The synthetic runway system is fed the position coordinates of the runway and calculates its position in the HUD by using vectorial math. I don't dare to tamper with the results since it can and will misplace the runway when you are in the air.

 

By the time you see it going above you, your wheels are in the tarmac.

[Zeus67]

As well, when taxiing, something seems off about the gear angle to the turn rate of the aircraft. It seems that the turn rate is lower than the angle of the nose gear should cause. Is this an artefact of the tweaking you mentioned higher in the thread?

 

Very likely. Remember that this is a beta version. Stuff like this will be fixed in due time, unless you want for us to skip the beta release and wait until final release.

[Teeter]

Very likely. Remember that this is a beta version. Stuff like this will be fixed in due time, unless you want for us to skip the beta release and wait until final release.

 

Of course! I only ask because I didn't necessarily trust my eyes and wanted confirmation.

 

about the synthetic runway, would it be possible to have it disappear at a certain radar altitude (which I might think would be the correct behavior due to minimums, but I truly don't know)? Is the real behavior of this system fully understood and modeled, or is input like this open for discussion?

[Zeus67]

Hello,

 

I Dont know if already asked but M2000 will release on 1.5 or 2.0?

Sorry if already answered. :(

 

We have been developing the aircraft in the 2.0 version since mid year. AFAIK, we will release it on both, unless 1.5 is missing something that we need.

[Teeter]

Also, the dev <-> community communication with RAZBAM is incredible. I truly enjoy it!

[dartuil]

We have been developing the aircraft in the 2.0 version since mid year. AFAIK, we will release it on both, unless 1.5 is missing something that we need.

 

 

Cool i want to offer a M2000 to my buddy that dont have NTTR.

Thanks

[Hook47]

It still is a Mirage III based delta wing. I don't know the book's stated landing speed nor its AOA for a Kfir.

 

Let's not derail this thread, Ok? He is a professional pilot and he used to fly delta wings, and he fought in the only air war between South American countries. He is now flying a desk because he was promoted away from the flight line.

 

Agreed, lets PLEASE not derail this thread, especially with the awesome info coming in. Thanks a ton for taking the time Zeus

 

I am excited to hear the level of ground handling is so challenging. Sounds like it will be tricky to master!

 

I've read the loaded landing speed of the M2000C can be up to 200KIAS, is this the case with a loaded M2000C in the sim?

[Corrigan]

Yeah, fully agree. I would probably have bought it anyway, once it was out and had some reviews, but I pre-purchased just because you're so good with communicating and showing us progress. Very much appreciated.

[Arden]

Zeus (or any other dev).

 

I know it's possible to bypass the FBW system, but is there also something like the Flanker's system built in where you can disengage the AoA limiter?

[Zeus67]

Of course! I only ask because I didn't necessarily trust my eyes and wanted confirmation.

 

about the synthetic runway, would it be possible to have it disappear at a certain radar altitude (which I might think would be the correct behavior due to minimums, but I truly don't know)? Is the real behavior of this system fully understood and modeled, or is input like this open for discussion?

 

We take suggestions. We will consider yours. At this moment the synthetic runway disappears when the wheels touch the ground, but I can make them disappear at 50 meters above ground. At that height you should be able to see the runway, or at least the runway lights.

 

Remember that the synthetic runway is a help for low or no visibility landings. It is meant to show you where the runway is.

[Teeter]

We take suggestions. We will consider yours. At this moment the synthetic runway disappears when the wheels touch the ground, but I can make them disappear at 50 meters above ground. At that height you should be able to see the runway, or at least the runway lights.

 

Remember that the synthetic runway is a help for low or no visibility landings. It is meant to show you where the runway is.

 

Of course, of course. My understanding, though, is that if you cannot see the runway naturally at minimums, you are to abort the landing, no? Perhaps there are different rules for military aircraft!

[Hook47]

We take suggestions. We will consider yours. At this moment the synthetic runway disappears when the wheels touch the ground, but I can make them disappear at 50 meters above ground. At that height you should be able to see the runway, or at least the runway lights.

 

Remember that the synthetic runway is a help for low or no visibility landings. It is meant to show you where the runway is.

 

To Zeus67:

 

While we are on the topic of suggestions (and please no backlash from the community who may not like this! This is for the dev) I couldn't help but notice another thread discussing the Armat SEAD weapon, and it started a conversation with some of my squad mates about how they thought this weapon was originally planned. Without starting a debate about whether or not the weapon was fielded, has Razbam decided if they will be bringing this weapon to the M2000C modeled in the sim? (Fingers crossed and commencing F5 spam for response!)

Edited December 10, 2015 by Hook47

[TomOnSteam]

I think the synthetic runway is fine as it is. Perhaps in the future (and even on different maps) it will be fixed.

[Teeter]

I think the synthetic runway is fine as it is. Perhaps in the future (and even on different maps) it will be fixed.

 

You say it is fine as it is, but then that it needs to be fixed...

 

I am in a way saying the same. This isn't a deal breaker to me, and is perfectly manageable. I just wanted to give my two cents in, as it would be incredibly distracting for me (especially in harsh weather or an night) to have the synthetic runway behave in such a way when you haven't yet kissed the ground

[Teeter]

Zeus (or any other dev).

 

I know it's possible to bypass the FBW system, but is there also something like the Flanker's system built in where you can disengage the AoA limiter?

 

Perhaps spin mode is what you are looking for.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2580701&postcount=2494

[Hook47]

To Zeus67:

 

While we are on the topic of suggestions (and please no backlash from the community who may not like this! This is for the dev) I couldn't help but notice another thread discussing the Armat SEAD weapon, and it started a conversation with some of my squad mates about how they thought this weapon was originally planned. Without starting a debate about whether or not the weapon was fielded, has Razbam decided if they will be bringing this weapon to the M2000C modeled in the sim? (Fingers crossed and commencing F5 spam for response!)

 

I would also ask about the Exocet but I think it may be way out :) Although IIRC I thought I heard FSX M2000C made by M2M can mount both the Exocet and Armat? Of course this is DCS which is different, but maybe you guys have the models? I do remember seeing some renders from last year with the Exocet underslung on the M2000C for DCS, but I can't find them. Either way, the missions I could make for the M2000C with either the Armat or Exocet would be endless

Edited December 10, 2015 by Hook47

[Zeus67]

I would also ask about the Exocet but I think it may be way out :) Although IIRC I thought I heard FSX M2000C made by M2M can mount both the Exocet and Armat? Of course this is DCS which is different, but maybe you guys have the models?.

 

On the ARMAT and EXOCET:

 

The EXOCET is out. No way we can make it work.

 

The ARMAT, no decision and it won't be available for open beta.

 

As for the FSX version. That aircraft is a mishmash of models due to the lack of information. The radar had a RDM panel, later changed to the RDI, but behaves like the RDY (the one mounted on the -5). Many functions and instruments are nothing more than informed guess work.

 

For the DCS version and thanks to the FSX one, we got a lot of people interested in creating a more faithful model and gave us a lot of missing info, but still some stuff - like the RWR - is nothing more than informed guess work. The aircraft is still being used and many of its system are considered state secret by their users. So, no info on them.

 

In fact, so little info there is that just two days ago I found a Russian manual for the pilots of the PVO Strany, describing the M-2000C and giving a lot of information not available elsewhere. I guess the KGB really earned its salary on that one.

 

Don't worry, there are Russian manuals for the A-10, F-15 and other western aircrafts with the same info.

[mjmorrow]

Yeah, the aircraft is a bit too sensitive, actually a LOT, to course corrections when in the runway. We are trying to dampen it and this is the latest result.

 

One advice, it will also appear on the manual:

 

1. Landing speeds are between 180 to 140. Book says 140, but a Kfir-C2 pilot told us that delta winged aircraft land better at 180.

 

2. Do NOT apply brakes before your speed is below 90 KIAS. One way to brake fast is to keep the nose up until your speed drops below 100 KIAS, essentially using your wings as a big aero brake. I have not mastered that so I just open the air brakes, I need more runway but it is safer for me.

 

3. The NWS is active only at 40 KIAS or below. Again, at high speeds, the aircraft steering is very sensitive and you can end up doing a turtle on the runway or moving sideways and destroying the landing gear.

 

It took me a lot of tries before i could land the aircraft safely. Many times in ended landing before the runway or sliding out of control because over corrections while steering or applying the brakes too soon. At last I learned to let the aircraft slow down with the aero brakes and just to keep it semi centered on the runway until it is safe for me to apply brakes and steer.

 

Thank you for the video and the tips. I am really looking forward to the Mirage 2000c. I want to know as much as I can about this magnificent Chasseur, before I get to try her out and videos and tips, like you provided, really help me out, a whole lot. I will definitely be following this thread, closely. Thanks again! :thumbup: MJ

[Ultra]

Is our version capable of using the ATLIS II targeting pod? And if it's possible, will we see it in the future at all?

[Hook47]

On the ARMAT and EXOCET:

 

The EXOCET is out. No way we can make it work.

 

The ARMAT, no decision and it won't be available for open beta.

 

As for the FSX version. That aircraft is a mishmash of models due to the lack of information. The radar had a RDM panel, later changed to the RDI, but behaves like the RDY (the one mounted on the -5). Many functions and instruments are nothing more than informed guess work.

 

For the DCS version and thanks to the FSX one, we got a lot of people interested in creating a more faithful model and gave us a lot of missing info, but still some stuff - like the RWR - is nothing more than informed guess work. The aircraft is still being used and many of its system are considered state secret by their users. So, no info on them.

 

In fact, so little info there is that just two days ago I found a Russian manual for the pilots of the PVO Strany, describing the M-2000C and giving a lot of information not available elsewhere. I guess the KGB really earned its salary on that one.

 

Don't worry, there are Russian manuals for the A-10, F-15 and other western aircrafts with the same info.

 

Thanks a ton for the reply! Understood on the Exocet, keeping my fingers crossed for that Armat!

[Zeus67]

Is our version capable of using the ATLIS II targeting pod? And if it's possible, will we see it in the future at all?

 

No. The C is the Chasseur version, any air-to-ground capability is secondary to its main job: intercept high flying bombers. So no targeting pods. The D version is the one that can carry a targeting pod.

[TomOnSteam]

Thanks a ton for the reply! Understood on the Exocet, keeping my fingers crossed for that Armat!

 

*crosses fingers*

[anlq]

it's December already, will we get the Mirage in 3 weeks ?

[Hook47]

it's December already, will we get the Mirage in 3 weeks ?

 

Last we heard (A couple days ago) they are still shooting for mid-December

[Ultra]

No. The C is the Chasseur version, any air-to-ground capability is secondary to its main job: intercept high flying bombers. So no targeting pods. The D version is the one that can carry a targeting pod.

 

Thanks for the info!