MICA IR on the M2000C? A possibililty?

[OnlyforDCS]

Well with all the talk about the extremely poor performance of the Magic II missiles, and the rather mediocre (but solid in terms of DCS) Super530D is there even a tiny possibility that Razbam could implement the MICA IR version on the M2000C?

 

I know that the radar version requires a RDY radar which is something that we don't have on the bird, however I also read that Egypt was a customer who had purchased the IR version of the missile for its fleet of 15 Mirage2000EM birds, which are basically export variants of the C version, with the RDM+ radar rather than the RDI radar being basically the difference.

 

I have also read from some sources that the french Mirage 2000C can and does carry the Mica IR, although I have not found any pictures of it online, I did find some sources to confirm that.

 

http://www.airvectors.net/avmir2k.html

 

This is an article, but sources are listed at the end.

 

Is this within the realm of possibility at all, or is it completely unrealistic?

Edited December 30, 2015 by OnlyforDCS

[jojo]

Magic 2 is near the end of service life. So is Mirage 2000 C.

 

Mica IR is considered as replacement for Mirage 2000D, but it's not done as far as I know.

[nomdeplume]

The MICA missiles exist in the game (2000-5 can use them), but in the AI fights I've set up they haven't been impressive at all. In fact, I'm hesitantly of the opinion that they perform worse than the Magic 2 and Super 530D. Haven't tried to measure it though, and maybe the AI shoots them from different ranges or something which makes them appear worse than they really are.

 

Still, you could probably modify the loadout configuration to allow the 2000C to carry them. They might even be fireable.

[Corsair]

Poor MAGIC 2 performance is à DCS issue. IRL it is à better weapon than 9Ms.

[ckelly14]

Realism aside, since there are a number of complaints about the included missiles, as a temporary measure has anyone altered the load out to equip 120's or sidewinders on this platform? Would this be difficult to do?

[Arden]

AIM-120's would be rather far-fetched (and an AIM-7 would me more similar to the 530D's), replacing the Magic II's by Sidewinders however is perfectly possible and was, in fact, intended irl to start with.

If I'm not mistaken, the Magic II and Sidewinder were interchangeable on the Mirage from the very start.

[scot619]

The Egyptian Air Force purchased the Mica to be used strictly with their new Dassault Rafale fighters. They do not use them with the M2000.

 

 

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[Calinho]

is possible add AIM-9M in magic pylons on M-2000C.lua. AIM-9M seems to work fine with mirage

 

I tested AIM-7M, AIM-120C an Mica's on 530 and Magic II pylons, not work.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2015 by Calinho

[OnlyforDCS]

is possible add AIM-9M in magic pylons on M-2000C.lua. AIM-9M seems to work fine with mirage

 

I tested AIM-7M, AIM-120C an Mica's on 530 and Magic II pylons, not work.

 

 

 

What did you change in the lua to get them to work? Also is their performance in line with the AIM9Ms or are they simply Magic 2 missiles "reskined"?

[Calinho]

AIM-9M performance on 2000c seens to be real with radar lock

 

Little tutorial for attaching AIM-9M:

 

in Mirage M-2000C.lua

 

Below {CLSID = "{FC23864E-3B80-48E3-9C03-4DA8B1D7497B}", arg_value = 0.15 }, -- Magic R.550

 

Insert this line:

 

{CLSID = "{6CEB49FC-DED8-4DED-B053-E1F033FF72D3}", arg_value = 0.15 }, -- AIM-9M

 

 

M-2000C.lua has two entries for R.550, insert below of both. Make backup for safety

[OnlyforDCS]

AIM-9M performance on 2000c seens to be real with radar lock

 

Little tutorial for attaching AIM-9M:

 

in Mirage M-2000C.lua

 

Below {CLSID = "{FC23864E-3B80-48E3-9C03-4DA8B1D7497B}", arg_value = 0.15 }, -- Magic R.550

 

Insert this line:

 

{CLSID = "{6CEB49FC-DED8-4DED-B053-E1F033FF72D3}", arg_value = 0.15 }, -- AIM-9M

 

 

M-2000C.lua has two entries for R.550, insert below of both. Make backup for safety

 

And then I will be able to equip the Aim9M? (For example will I be able to instruct ground crew to mount it on the plane?)

Also is it possible to fire the Aim9M without the radar lock? I don't think Ive been able to fire the Magic II without radar lock...but that seems to be a bug with the module itself...

[spiddx]

I don't think Ive been able to fire the Magic II without radar lock...but that seems to be a bug with the module itself...

 

It works, but the seeker head isn't looking at the right place at the moment. Instead of the middle of the circle it looks at the little boresight cross above it. Put that on the target and the missile will lock.

[OnlyforDCS]

Thanks for the tip, hope to get some fly time after work today (and before the partying starts) to test it out.

[ZaHaDum]

Any changes? I mean possibility to set aim-120 or at least more Super530 instead of bombs underbelly ?

[Flogger23m]

My understanding for French Air Force single seat Mirage 2000s is the following:

 

- All current Mirage 2000Cs with the RDI are MICA IR capable. I am not sure if these can be carried on the bottom four hardpoints.

 

- Mirage 2000-5F is MICA RF capable, not but MICA IR capable.

 

Now the RDI versions were upgraded for the MICA IR. I am not sure what changes were made avionics wise. It could be a simple task to implement it or it might be very difficult. I assume the Mirage 2000C in DCS is the original un-upgraded 2000C.

 

The Indian 2000H (based on the C) can also carry the R-73, but I assume that has some more significant differences in the avionics.

[myHelljumper]

MICA RF ?

[jojo]

It's clear and simple:

No Mica, either RF or IR on Mirage 2000C.

 

End of story.

[jojo]

Anyway, ED has slaughtered Mica flight model the same way as Magic and Super 530D.

[Flogger23m]

MICA RF ?

 

That is the radar guided version.

[myHelljumper]

I only know MICA EM and IR, RF is the english version of the EM ?

[Flogger23m]

I only know MICA EM and IR, RF is the english version of the EM ?

 

I believe the EM is an enhanced version of the RF.

[cauldron]

Anyway, ED has slaughtered Mica flight model the same way as Magic and Super 530D.

 

:book:

 

So true! it's like they have a grudge against French weapon designs, i guess the Meteor coming out must totally suck as well.:doh:

 

In all honesty in DCS the last heavy object you want hung under the wing before R550-ll and 530D would be a MICA missile. I don't think statistically an Ai M2000-5 has EVER shot anything down with one. That says a lot considering how neutered the R550-ll & 530D's currently are - and that's considering that they got some attention before the M2000c launch and got patched. It truly is beyond me.

 

Do they not fly what they design?

[Corsair]

- All current Mirage 2000Cs with the RDI are MICA IR capable. I am not sure if these can be carried on the bottom four hardpoints.

 

- Mirage 2000-5F is MICA RF capable, not but MICA IR capable.

- what jojo said (-> wrong)

 

- wrong too ; 2000-5F are both EM and IR capable.

The only non IR capable dash 5s are the Qatari and Taiwanese.

 

RF is an alternative designation for EM ('radiofréquence' / 'électromagnétique') ; both are used officially, although EM is used more often, at least for the air launched MICA.

Edited January 24, 2016 by Corsair

[jojo]

EM: Électro Magnétique

 

English translation :

RF: Radio Frequency

 

Same missile, no improvement.