Was the cockpit redone recently?

[tovivan]

I haven't flown the 25A for a long time, but after I jumped into it yesterday I was amazed at the visibility from it, light-years better than that of 25T. Not only is the dashboard "smaller", but windows are larger, I have the feeling as if I sit a bit higher so I see through the front better and so on. Has it been redone in the last year or two or is my mind just playing tricks on me?

 

I wish I could fly this amazing bird more, but I'm simply too blind without a TV screen to find targets. :(

[Nirvi]

The Su-25A 3D cockpit was added with patch 1.2.4 back in 2013. :)

[tovivan]

Then I'm getting old. :D

 

Now to find out how to even see anything on the ground to be able to attack it. xD

[Boberro]

What can you attack sitting in this useless brick? :D

[Weta43]

Oh poor Boberro, I don't even know how to reply to that.. :)

[NeilWillis]

What can you attack sitting in this useless brick? :D

 

Try saying that to the poor grunts (that's infantry by the way) looking up at you as you scream down raining death and destruction among them!

 

On the other hand, you probably would come off second best against an F-15C.

 

Go figure! :music_whistling: :music_whistling: :music_whistling:

[Boberro]

Cmon, what is difference between vanilla Su-25, a brick and II World War plane :D

 

This plane is good for attacking some "poor" insurgents who are not protected by some AA defense around.

Drop few dumb bombs and run away. That's all like in II war plane I could achieve - except speed and harder airframe.

 

25T brick is a different story... at least it has possibility to find target via TV further than 2 km....

Edited January 6, 2016 by Boberro

[NeilWillis]

Then attack them!

 

If we used combat effectiveness as the sole criterion for new modules, we'd be stuffed!

 

P-51D

UH-1H

Mi8-MTV2

MiG-21Bis

 

None of them are hard hitters (unless you count nuclear bombs) but all excellent modules. Plus of course if you do manage to pull off the impossible in the SU-25, it'd be far far more satisfying than doing it in something more advanced and less challenging.

[tovivan]

While I still frequented the 104 (long ago in 1.2) a guy I flew a lot with would work wonders with the 25A and the big, unguided missiles. That plane still has a lot to give and in the right hands it's still deadly, even in an area with AAA presence.

[pepin1234]

What can you attack sitting in this useless brick? :D

 

Su-25A is a CAS aircraft to take action in a dangerous area. If you do this kind of aircraft complex and expensive, then you should know every losses go with all the expensive sensors and wepons.

 

Just in case you wanna try to compare the early 80's Su-25A with A-10C modernized, here is the modernized Su-25SM version to compare:

 

 

[Boberro]

Su-25SM has some nice things (like IIRC threat detector suite), but since 10-20 years I hear about SM there is no TV display. No TV, night, IR pod.

Still when we take account possibility to precisely attack target (and identify it before) old 25T is better than SM.

SM is just cheap modernization which would not ruin tiny RU military budget which takes ages to complete.

 

Vanilla Su-25 is retarded nowadays, yes it can kill and can be effective - against some kind of village only.

[pepin1234]

Su-25SM has some nice things (like IIRC threat detector suite), but since 10-20 years I hear about SM there is no TV display. No TV, night, IR pod.

Still when we take account possibility to precisely attack target (and identify it before) old 25T is better than SM.

SM is just cheap modernization which would not ruin tiny RU military budget which takes ages to complete.

 

Vanilla Su-25 is retarded nowadays, yes it can kill and can be effective - against some kind of village only.

 

I guess you don't know how become effective taking combat with the Su-25A.

 

Su-25T is not better because this modified frame performance was not so maneuverable. Also the idea is make the Su-25SM a modular version while the targeting task is made by other aircraft, or made by his self as well. The targeting pod is in developed. I think the RU want to make a Su-25SM keeping the original capability to do the dirt job of the cheaper Su-25A. That's why we have seen Su-25SM as a launcher unit first. The targeting pods could be tested in a late add ( Su-25SM4??? ).

[Boberro]

I guess you don't know how become effective taking combat with the Su-25A.

 

If you mean effective against threats with even minimum AD around, then yes.

I do not see how this middle age plane could achieve goals in such conditions - before, not after everything else has been cleaned by other planes and choppers.

 

Su-25T is not better because this modified frame performance was not so maneuverable.

Maneuverability is not key to success. It is electronic, avionics. This is why Russian planes are good mostly for airshows, instead of real battlefield.

Su-25T compared to vanilla Su-25 is top-tech.

 

Also the idea is make the Su-25SM a modular version while the targeting task is made by other aircraft, or made by his self as well. The targeting pod is in developed.

The problem is it is under development since when? 2001?

 

I think the RU want to make a Su-25SM keeping the original capability to do the dirt job of the cheaper Su-25A. That's why we have seen Su-25SM as a launcher unit first. The targeting pods could be tested in a late add ( Su-25SM4??? ).

It was the same idea with Ka-50 and Ka-29 (or Ka-52) as tactical commander leading the group.

It failed as they now prefer to manufacture full Ka-52 units, fully individual, functional without help of 3rd hand.

[zantron]

pfffffft give me dumb bombs and optical sight any day :joystick: , never touched su25t and never will

[pepin1234]

Boberro with your last comments you are open declared anti Russian hardware. My question is... What the h*** are you doing here trolling the Su-25A forum. Do you like convince the Russian pilots that the RU hardware is for airshow only. Go ahead you almost get your goal :thumbup:

Edited January 7, 2016 by pepin1234

[tovivan]

I only wish the warning lights and RWR in the 25 were nicer made, they're so hard to read as they are. :(

 

Boberro with your last comments you are open declared anti Russian hardware. My question is... What the h*** are you doing here trolling the Su-25A forum.

 

He was an obvious troll from the start. ;-)

 

It seems that pro-West players often feel the need to troll and disturb pro-East threads and even forums (for example the all-too-frequent incursions of F-15 fanboys into Su-27 forum and threads like the ER discussion threads and their attempts to prevent any fixing the horribly bugged missiles). You don't see that from our side. It's like they feel seriously threatened.

[pepin1234]

Boberro a Su-25A mission test for you. We wanna see your wide knowledge in Su-25A. Just in case I added a track you can see all the target got destroyed, at the end when I try use cannon the track got corrupt, anyway is a good track to show you are wrong.

 

Your targets (Are defended by IR AD and AAA with excellent skill):

 

1- Destroy the bridge to avoid the armors cross

2- Destroy the Oil refinery, is located close to the bridge.

3- Destroy the engineers armors is heading the bridge to build and repair the destroyed bridge.

 

4- For fun... destroy with cannon one of the AD around, just for fun.

 

After all that you need stay alive.

Take that.miz

Su-25A against IR AD2.trk

[Weta43]

Given that every war the West has fought since Vietnam has been fought with total air superiority and SEAD support, the environment the A-10 has fought pretty much every conflict it's been used in has been essentially the 'low-threat' environment you're suggesting the Su-25 needs to survive.

Given the ability to target mark/buddy lase by a FAC (Not an unrealistic occurrence in a CAS situation in this day and age), the Su-25SM (or for that matter the Su-25A) would have been perfectly adequate as a CAS aircraft in pretty much every conflict the A-10 has been used in. The only thing it would have been deficient in is specialist tank busting, but that's not what it was built as.

[Boberro]

Boberro with your last comments you are open declared anti Russian hardware. My question is... What the h*** are you doing here trolling the Su-25A forum. Do you like convince the Russian pilots that the RU hardware is for airshow only. Go ahead you almost get your goal :thumbup:

 

I haven't declared anti-anything.

So far in reality facts say whenever Western equipment showed there Soviet ones were wasted. Great example is Israelis wars.

I am not trolling, I have right to say my opinion and I do it, whether Russian fanboyz like it or not.

At least I do not live in phantasmagoria of mighty Russian hardware nobody's seen.:megalol:

 

I test mission later though. It is the best to play not self made mission, I presume?

[pepin1234]

I haven't declared anti-anything.

So far in reality facts say whenever Western equipment showed there Soviet ones were wasted. Great example is Israelis wars.

I am not trolling, I have right to say my opinion and I do it, whether Russian fanboyz like it or not.

At least I do not live in phantasmagoria of mighty Russian hardware nobody's seen.:megalol:

 

I test mission later though. It is the best to play not self made mission, I presume?

 

so let's see. Now you want to open a new discussion with the old wars and how the Arabic fight. No man... Leave the thread in the way of the Su-25A.

 

Open a new thread with yours opinions. The thread was open to speak about Su-25A and all your post have taken the direction to negative criticism trying to direct the general opinion to your opinion. You are talking bad about the Su-25 in a thread where you gone find the Su-25A pilots. When the people see your comment is clear see you don't like the Su-25A.

 

Nobody open here a poll to ask about how effective is the Su-25A. You alone want to direct the comments to a discussion nothing have to do with the thread.

 

Go alone to trolling in other place.

[tovivan]

so let's see. Now you want to open a new discussion with the old wars and how the Arabic fight. No man... Leave the thread in the way of the Su-25A.

 

Open a new thread with yours opinions. The thread was open to speak about Su-25A and all your post have taken the direction to negative criticism trying to direct the general opinion to your opinion. You are talking bad about the Su-25 in a thread where you gone find the Su-25A pilots. When the people see your comment is clear see you don't like the Su-25A.

 

Nobody open here a poll to ask about how effective is the Su-25A. You alone want to direct the comments to a discussion nothing have to do with the thread.

 

Go alone to trolling in other place.

 

Amen, man!

[tovivan]

Given that every war the West has fought since Vietnam has been fought with total air superiority and SEAD support, the environment the A-10 has fought pretty much every conflict it's been used in has been essentially the 'low-threat' environment you're suggesting the Su-25 needs to survive.

Given the ability to target mark/buddy lase by a FAC (Not an unrealistic occurrence in a CAS situation in this day and age), the Su-25SM (or for that matter the Su-25A) would have been perfectly adequate as a CAS aircraft in pretty much every conflict the A-10 has been used in. The only thing it would have been deficient in is specialist tank busting, but that's not what it was built as.

 

Weta, this maybe a bit off-topic, but is it possible to lase targets for the 25, either A or T?

 

Whether the one doing the lasering is in a Combined Arms vehicle (do you perhaps know IF Eastern CA vehicles can lase and which ones are they) or maybe even Ka50?

 

If yes, which 25's missiles would be needed and what would be the procedure?

 

Again, my apologies for going off-topic and thanks in advance for reply.

[Boberro]

so let's see. Now you want to open a new discussion with the old wars and how the Arabic fight. No man... Leave the thread in the way of the Su-25A.

OK I know the truth is painful, so I limit it to Su-25 only.

 

Open a new thread with yours opinions. The thread was open to speak about Su-25A and all your post have taken the direction to negative criticism trying to direct the general opinion to your opinion. You are talking bad about the Su-25 in a thread where you gone find the Su-25A pilots. When the people see your comment is clear see you don't like the Su-25A.

I do not care where I do say bad things about very old plane. I fly it well enough to see how "useful" it can be in modern battlefield.

 

Go alone to trolling in other place.

Like Russian trolls troll over and over moan about mighty Russian missiles. In such case you trolls shouldn't give voice in other topics.

 

I replayed track.

You were killed after destroying bridge.

 

Of course Su-25 wouldn't know where missiles and other threats come from in multiplayer missions made by other people. It is hard to prove anything in flying own mission or have in memory where units are.

In reality there is no such info, especially nobody knows precision location of mobile MANPADS.

Do not try to convince that 40 year old Lada car is almost or as effective as newer/more advanced because you will never succeed.

[LeVince]

I do not care where I do say bad things about very old plane. I fly it well enough to see how "useful" it can be in modern battlefield.

 

Of course Su-25 wouldn't know where missiles and other threats come from in multiplayer missions made by other people. It is hard to prove anything in flying own mission or have in memory where units are.

In reality there is no such info, especially nobody knows precision location of mobile MANPADS.

Do not try to convince that 40 year old Lada car is almost or as effective as newer/more advanced because you will never succeed.

 

Quick answer, the su-25A is useless in modern battlefield. :D

This si the old su-25 from Afghanistan way in 70s it can't be compared to the modrn Su-25 involved in syria/Irak today. By the way in Afghanistan war 70s, guided weapon were lased from ground.

 

In reality a su25 never fly alone There is always a wingman to cover the area during a strike to warn if a sam is launched.

[pepin1234]

I replayed track.

You were killed after destroying bridge..

 

I was killed in the track but not in the mission. That's why I told you the track is corrupt at the last action with cannon. BUT you never do mention about the most important, all the targets was eliminated by Su-25A very well. Is there where the people notice your words are plenty of hate and non sense arguments.

 

As you don't mention the well made action of Su-25A in the track, maybe because the red color have been censored my your mind itself. Look here:

 

1Th target: Bridge destroyed (well done)

2Th target: Oil refinery destroyed with all the insurgents killed (well done)

3Th target: Armor group destroyed on his way by road to the bridge, destroying all of them (well done)

 

and the cannon attack was not relevant because was not part of the targets and was made to see how important is for you a kamikaze cannon inbound sometimes made by other well know attack aircraft. So you can see there the result of the fancy use of a cannon in a dangerous area.

 

 

Of course Su-25 wouldn't know where missiles and other threats come from in multiplayer missions made by other people. It is hard to prove anything in flying own mission or have in memory where units are.

In reality there is no such info, especially nobody knows precision location of mobile MANPADS.

Do not try to convince that 40 year old Lada car is almost or as effective as newer/more advanced because you will never succeed.

 

I fly the Su-25A in multiplayer and if the briefing is well made I find everything. I told you, you are showing a poor knowledge about Su-25A. I invite you to play by yourself the mission I made and show your track, also I invite you modify the same mission to other location with the same AD and AAA, upload here and gone see if yours words really worth

Edited January 8, 2016 by pepin1234