MICA IR for M2K???

[CHRISXTR3M3]

It is late and I work 24hr shifts so I don't have the energy to go looking through thousands of pages and posts to find the answer to this question. If it has already been asked then I apologize.

 

Will we be getting the MICA IR for our M2K? And if so will we also get the seeker head video feed and infrared search & track functionality?

 

I found this info on this article and there are sources listed at the bottom.:book::book::book::joystick::joystick::pilotfly::pilotfly:

 

http://www.airvectors.net/avmir2k.html#m2

 

"Armament was substantially improved by the new Matra MICA AAM, which is now the AA's standard AAM. MICA stands for "Missile d'Interception, de Combat et d'Autodefense / Intercept, Combat, & Self-Defense Missile". It is a lightweight and highly agile weapon, with a thrust-vectoring nozzle. There are two versions, including the heatseeking "MICA IR" and the radar-guided "MICA EM". The infrared seeker on the MICA IR can in principle provide video to the cockpit to act as an infrared search & track sensor. The radar-guided MICA EM variant provides a "fire & forget" capability. However, the Mirage 2000C only carries the MICA IR, there being no support for the MICA EM in the aircraft's weapons control system. "

 

Edit: Included sources from article in link

 

 

* Sources include:

 

• THE COMPLETE BOOK OF FIGHTERS by William Green and Gordon Swanborough, Smithmark Books, 1994.
  
• THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD MILITARY AIRCRAFT, edited by David Donald & Jon Lake, Barnes & Noble, 2000.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 2000 Variants" by Paul Jackson, WORLD AIR POWER JOURNAL, Volume 37, Summer 1999, 96:123.
  
• "Desert Mirage" by David A. Fulghum, AVIATION WEEK, 16 June 2003, 125, 126.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 2000" by Henri-Pierre Grolleau, INTERNATIONAL AIR POWER REVIEW, Volume 9 / Summer 2003, 38:75.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 4000" by Alexis Rocher, INTERNATIONAL AIR POWER REVIEW, Volume 14 / 2004, 112:123.
  

Edited January 12, 2016 by CHRISXTR3M3

[OnlyforDCS]

Unfortunately there is no real definitive proof that any Mirage2000C has ever carried a MICA IR missile. I have researched this extensively, and the only document I could find is that (un)sourced link that you yourself provided.

[CHRISXTR3M3]

Unfortunately there is no real definitive proof that any Mirage2000C has ever carried a MICA IR missile. I have researched this extensively, and the only document I could find is that (un)sourced link that you yourself provided.

 

 

Not sure if you read to the end of the whole article, because there are sources. I am going to research the sources for information during the next week and you are more than welcome to help search them as well..

 

* Sources include:

 

• THE COMPLETE BOOK OF FIGHTERS by William Green and Gordon Swanborough, Smithmark Books, 1994.
  
• THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD MILITARY AIRCRAFT, edited by David Donald & Jon Lake, Barnes & Noble, 2000.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 2000 Variants" by Paul Jackson, WORLD AIR POWER JOURNAL, Volume 37, Summer 1999, 96:123.
  
• "Desert Mirage" by David A. Fulghum, AVIATION WEEK, 16 June 2003, 125, 126.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 2000" by Henri-Pierre Grolleau, INTERNATIONAL AIR POWER REVIEW, Volume 9 / Summer 2003, 38:75.
  
• "Dassault Mirage 4000" by Alexis Rocher, INTERNATIONAL AIR POWER REVIEW, Volume 14 / 2004, 112:123.
  

[OnlyforDCS]

Oh yeah, I missed those. Well best of luck with looking through those, but from what Ive been able to find. I couldn't find a single picture of a Mica IR mounted on any Mirage 2000C or any other export variant, anywhere on the internet. The only ones carrying the Mica are the Indian Mirages' but they have been so heavily upgraded that they are considered to be 2000-5 equivavelnt.

[jojo]

Mirage 2000 I (Indian upgrade) is part of Mirage 2000-5 family.

 

When they were induced into service French Mirage 2000-5F still used Magic 2.

- they got an upgrade to fit them to external wing point and use them as Fox 2.

- they got another upgrade to carry them under fuselage and shoot them in BVR.

 

In Libya we saw Mirage 2000-5F with 3 Mica EM + 3 Mica IR + 3 fuel tanks.

 

But no, it was never fitted to earlier Mirage 2000 variant. You can't have them on Mirage 2000 C.

 

However the current Magic 2 needs to be improved.

- aerodynamic (too much drag)

- slaved to radar Line Of Sight (LOS)

[myHelljumper]

The 2000C has been replaced in 97 by the 2000-5 and the missile has gone operational in 2000, France didn't need to fit them into the 2000C so I would say no and I would be disappointed if we have it.

[jojo]

We agree on the Mica answer but Mirage 2000C were not totally replaced by 2000-5F.

Just they became kind of second role compared to 2000-5 Fox 3 shooter.

[myHelljumper]

Yes of course, I was simplifying my point ;)

[cauldron]

It would be good form, that if you debate the sources and or article of the OP you should also post your own sources backing up own own claims. Not one liners like some Jedi mind trick, "i know" so you are wrong thing...

 

The OP went through some effort to present this in a formal fashion, do them the honor likewise if you wish to debate in kind.

 

regards.

[OnlyforDCS]

It would be good form, that if you debate the sources and or article of the OP you should also post your own sources backing up own own claims. Not one liners like some Jedi mind trick, "i know" so you are wrong thing...

 

The OP went through some effort to present this in a formal fashion, do them the honor likewise if you wish to debate in kind.

 

regards.

 

Well that´s very fine and dandy, but maybe the OP should have done a forum search where he would have found my thread (and at least a few others) discussing the Mica IR on the M2000C viability, with this exact same link. The truth of the matter is that no Mirage 2000C has fielded a Mica IR, and the OP will probably come to the same conclusion after following up on those sources. You see, you don't need sources to prove a negative, a lack of sources proving a positive is pretty much enough.

Edited January 12, 2016 by OnlyforDCS

[jojo]

It would be good form, that if you debate the sources and or article of the OP you should also post your own sources backing up own own claims. Not one liners like some Jedi mind trick, "i know" so you are wrong thing...

 

The OP went through some effort to present this in a formal fashion, do them the honor likewise if you wish to debate in kind.

 

regards.

 

Well, my interest into Mirage 2000 didn't started with DCS module, but when I was a kid.

 

I have been monitoring what I could find since then. I was a teenager when Mirage 2000-5 was introduced into service, it was the pride of FAF and was all other the specialized press (including FAF magazine "Air Actualité").

 

So tell me, how am I supposed to reference 25 years of continuous reading in the press and internet ?

 

In good faith I link this:

http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/mica/

Only Rafale and Mirage 2000-5 listed.

 

Replacing Magic 2 by Mica have been discussed, but never happened until now, because Mirage 2000C and Mirage 2000N are closing the end of their service time.

Mirage 2000D might use Mica IR one day, after mid life upgrade...

[cauldron]

Well that´s very fine and dandy, but maybe the OP should have done a forum search where he would have found my thread (and at least a few others) discussing the Mica IR on the M2000C viability, with this exact same link. The truth of the matter is that no Mirage 2000C has fielded a Mica IR, and the OP will probably come to the same conclusion after following up on those sources. You see, you don't need sources to prove a negative, a lack of sources proving a positive is pretty much enough.

 

My post did not have you in mind in any particular sense - but your reaction with "fine" and "dandy" as a way of mocking a call for respect - as far as i know - have nothing to do with "respect".

Edited January 12, 2016 by cauldron
Removal of "inappropriate" comments and Flame - to not divert from OP

[jojo]

"Dassault Mirage 2000" by Henri-Pierre Grolleau, INTERNATIONAL AIR POWER REVIEW, Volume 9 / Summer 2003, 38:75.

 

I don't have the book, but I would be surprised to see the author making such gross mistake...

[OnlyforDCS]

My post did not have you in mind in any particular sense - but your reaction with "fine" and "dandy" as a way of mocking a call for respect - as far as i know - have nothing to do with "respect".

 

Well your call for respect was kind of weird to begin with, jedi mind tricks notwithstanding, because with your post you pretty much disrespected everyone else in the thread (oh the irony) and no one was rude or disrespectful to the OP to begin with....so please excuse me for making use of some flowery speech in my response...:thumbup:

[TomCatMucDe]

It would be good form, that if you debate the sources and or article of the OP you should also post your own sources backing up own own claims. Not one liners like some Jedi mind trick, "i know" so you are wrong thing...

 

The OP went through some effort to present this in a formal fashion, do them the honor likewise if you wish to debate in kind.

 

regards.

 

You are new to the forum, even newer than me. I dont see that anybody was arrogant in his answers to the OP. Not giving sources is in not a sign of disrespect, since the sources have been giving over and over again on the same topic, same forum.

 

The OP states clearly that he didnt have the time to search the forum and appologized for it.

It strange that you come to lecture people on how they should behave in this case

[CHRISXTR3M3]

Can we maybe not bicker like children trying to see whose flight stick has more deflection? I didn't create this post to see you all arguing mindlessly. :doh:

 

If we all put out bickering energies into maybe finding some of these sources even in pdf format I would love it. And then we can search through these listed sources to see what information has been put there.

 

Now I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but if the sources I've listed and the link I posted has been seen over and over again, I ask, has ANYONE actually gone and read the sources from the article to prove/disprove any of the statements and data provided by the linked article's author?

 

If not, then let's make an effort to work together. You guys don't even have to read through the sources. But if you help me find them in digital or textbook formatt I will gladly give you a huge thanks and take over the researching part on my own. :book: :helpsmilie:

 

And once again I apologize if this was already posted and asked..I reiterate...I work 24hr shifts and my latest schedules have been 24hrs on 24hrs off. Needless to say when I get off work the last thing I do is search through pages and pages of posts and threads as all I want to do is come home and fly with you all after a long shift. :joystick:

Edited January 12, 2016 by CHRISXTR3M3

[jojo]

Did you at least read the link of missile's manufacturer I posted above ?

[Corsair]

Now I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but if the sources I've listed and the link I posted has been seen over and over again, I ask, has ANYONE actually gone and read the sources from the article to prove/disprove any of the statements and data provided by the linked article's author?

Pre -5 2000s..

 

AdA 2000C RDM & RDI : no MICA IR

PAF 2000P : no MICA IR

IAF 2000H : no MICA IR

HAF 2000EG(M): no MICA IR

BrAF 2000C RDI : no MICA IR

UAEAF 2000EDA : no MICA IR

EAF 2000EM : no MICA IR

 

Here's some facts that should show the MICA IR has never been carried on those, and most likely cannot..

[Azrayen]

Addition:

 

AdA 2000N (Antilope V) : no MICA IR

AdA 2000D (Antilope V) : no MICA IR - may be integrated later during a MLU; this shows it's not done now.

 

2000D derivates from the 2000N, which is the second variant after the 2000C/B.

[halfcard]

I have posted a mod for this in the User Files section here Mirage M-2000C MICA IR and MICA RF Missile Mod

Edited June 2 by halfcard