How much they earn

[LawnDart]

You are pretty much talking about the flight model right? It's a flaw of FS2004, that's a fact. Only best commercial addons somehow improved that area.

 

Yup! vasco12r summed it up as well. Great product, great marketing, but lacking in the true sensation of flight. Unfortunately for Lock-On their marketing is the biggest area they are losing consumers in, otherwise great simulation. Still hard to compare to MSFS, but that's on completely different grounds. Lock-On is hands down much more realistic in flight dynamics behavior.

 

It will be interesting to see the sales figures for FighterOPS when the first modules start showing up!

 

I remember those TV-ads for FS2004. Those were sweet! Has to be nice to have the Microsoft label ante up the $$ for those time slots in commercial television.

 

LD

[JG27_Arklight]

MSFS is outstanding as far as its scope and depth. The "simulation" part leaves a lot to be desired however!

 

LD

 

 

Without add-ons, maybe. With some of the good payware add-ons, I would have to disagree.

 

There are some aircraft, scenery, weather, utility, etc.. add-ons for FS that are amazing with regards to realism and functionality. The downside is that they come at a cost, and sometimes that cost isn't cheap. lol

 

My issue with LOMAC is the crappy skies (colors) and some of the terrain. For me, it sort of ruins the immersion factor to an extent.

[JG27_Arklight]

doh, double post.

[VMFA-Blaze]

Without add-ons, maybe. With some of the good payware add-ons, I would have to disagree.

 

There are some aircraft, scenery, weather, utility, etc.. add-ons for FS that are amazing with regards to realism and functionality. The downside is that they come at a cost, and sometimes that cost isn't cheap. lol

 

My issue with LOMAC is the crappy skies (colors) and terrain. For me, it sort of ruins the immersion factor to an extent.

 

To go OT.... just what scenery addon's do you think are the best in MS2004

[JG27_Arklight]

To go OT.... just what scenery addon's do you think are the best in MS2004

 

 

For ground scenery: Ground Environment Pro

 

For ground Elevations and whatnot: FS Genesis

 

For Airports: FlyTampa (just my opnion, there are others people like alot as well). I haven't purchased that many add-on airports so I know there are other greats ones out there as well.

 

For Weather: ActiveSky 6

 

For Skies and Water: Flight Environment

[JG27_Arklight]

ANother GREAT sim with regards to immersion, and one of my personal favorites: Steel Beasts Pro PE

 

 

Peek A' Boo! :)

[Guest Cali]

Makes me think.........if 51000 copies sold of lockon.....and its generally thought of as a "serious" sim/game

I sort of assumed most "serious" simmers have internet access and would visit at least one of the online communities(maybe im wrong here)

..Now...no way is there even 10,000 users on all the forums I know of...that would mean that a very large proportion of sales went to the "Casual" buyer

I dunno

 

 

Yeah makes me think when the most I have seen in hyper lobby is about 90. You would think that 90 would be the average number everyday. But the average that I see is inbetween 15-30 when I fly.

[Ukr_Alex]

1 500 000 $

 

Is crap if you ask me

 

Thats enough for a 100 000 salary for a team of 15

 

Now considering the number of people that cash in on the game are way beyond 15 people

 

Considering it takes much longer then a year to develop........

[Guest Cali]

Agreed! These developers aren't doing it to become millionaires, that's for sure!

 

They are doing it because they want us to be happy and they love us :cheer3nc:

[VMFA117_Poko]

But they have a huge potential to become a millioners, won't You guys agree? When I showed LockOn and FS2004 to many friends of mine, they prefered LockOn for instant playing. ED is loosing money becouse of their laziness in this matter perhaps. Is it really so hard to find wealthy sponsors abroad? The things are more complicated than I depicted - I know but this isn't impossible!

 

Would be nice to put some banner on gamers sites. Maybe couple pop up advs. This will pay out. I'm sure of that.

 

Also, Black Shark needs big time trailers - not on TV even but on http://gamespot.com, http://gamershell.com or others sites.

 

The simavation community isn't small!!!

[Crusty]

But they have a huge potential to become a millioners, won't You guys agree? When I showed LockOn and FS2004 to many friends of mine, they prefered LockOn for instant playing. ED is loosing money becouse of their laziness in this matter perhaps. Is it really so hard to find wealthy sponsors abroad? The things are more complicated than I depicted - I know but this isn't impossible!

 

Would be nice to put some banner on gamers sites. Maybe couple pop up advs. This will pay out. I'm sure of that.

 

Also, Black Shark needs big time trailers - not on TV even but on http://gamespot.com, http://gamershell.com or others sites.

 

The simavation community isn't small!!!

 

I dont think its lack of publicity..tbh, I reckon more people bought it and got fed up with bugs and very un-intuitive features..I believe more disks are at the bottom of some drawer or landfill than in peoples drives

lockon had a lot of potential and I will buy BS for sure, but its not something you can just pick up and enjoy, I remember much frustration in the initial days of getting the controls right and such stuff

The ME has always been a pita, but the good points are very good

[LawnDart]

Without add-ons, maybe. With some of the good payware add-ons, I would have to disagree.

 

Regarding my quote of MSFS being lacking in "simulation". That was poorly phrased. What I really meant was flight modelling or flight dynamics. Not all the amazing jazz you can add-on in MSFS and turn it into a terrific product. Aerodynamically speaking, MSFS leaves a lot to be desired from my point of view...

 

LD

[JG27_Arklight]

Regarding my quote of MSFS being lacking in "simulation". That was poorly phrased. What I really meant was flight modelling or flight dynamics. Not all the amazing jazz you can add-on in MSFS and turn it into a terrific product. Aerodynamically speaking, MSFS leaves a lot to be desired from my point of view...

 

LD

 

 

Agreed. That's one of the reasons I like some of the add-ons out there (heck, that's one of the reasons so many 3rd party add-on developers exist). The RealAir products have amazing flight dynamics/flight modeling. Quite a few of the other payware add-on aircraft also do. I don't really fly that many military aircraft in FS, but I know of some civilian aircraft that have fantastic flight dynamics.

 

If you are interested, I can give you some names of aircraft with their respective groups for the add-ons I use and like.

[Megahurts]

I dont think its lack of publicity..tbh, I reckon more people bought it and got fed up with bugs and very un-intuitive features..I believe more disks are at the bottom of some drawer or landfill than in peoples drives

lockon had a lot of potential and I will buy BS for sure, but its not something you can just pick up and enjoy, I remember much frustration in the initial days of getting the controls right and such stuff

The ME has always been a pita, but the good points are very good

 

I agree, my first introduction to lock-on was through an ex-work friend who had most of the demo movies on his USB keyfob and spent most of coffee breaks showing them to us. At the time I was into IL2 in a big way but really looked forward to a modern jet sim. The first time I played it I hated the game, playing on the same guys PC without having read the manual or done any of the training tracks I just got splashed repeatedly whilst trying to figure out how to use my radar. It was a huge dissapointment, I was looking for something I could just sit down with and start playing whilst slowing increasing the realism, but LO was either all or nothing and at the time required a monster rig to get the best out of it.

 

MSFS was bought for me as a - unwanted - present, and tbh I played it just enough so as not to appear ungratful.

 

On the subject of software being availiable in stores, I picked up a copy of LOMAC Gold for £9.99 (~$6.50) at my local PC World a few weeks back. The only other FS titles they had were MS2004 and a couple of shelves of add-ons for it, although I have noticed that PC World seem to be ditching their games section on favour of high-end LCD TVs and MediaPCs. The situation in stores like Game and GameStation is even worse, shelves of console games and if you are lucky one small section devoted to PC Games, 99% of these FPS or RPGs.

[3Sqn_Sven]

My take on Microsoft Flight Sim 2...0.......0......zzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...zzzzz.zzzzz...zzz...huh...sorry? What were we talking about again?

 

lol

[VMFA117_Poko]

Those many add-ons for FS make a big traffic on shop ledges. You see "for fs2004" over and over again. This affect on the customers' subconscious.

[VMFA117_Poko]

My take on Microsoft Flight Sim 2...0.......0......zzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...zzzzz.zzzzz...zzz...huh...sorry? What were we talking about again?

 

lol

WAKE UP!!!:D Get coffee or something like that.

We ARE talking about commercial inefficiency (and efficiency of Microsoft).

[Shaman]

To prove how much Eagle Dynamics doesn't care about PR check this link out:

 

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2527

 

This is from huge GAMETRAILERS service.

I'm sure they've made LockOn Gold entry by themselves with no ED's interest in that whatsover. Notice that they say LockOn 1.1 developer is Take2Interactive LOL!!!, and product webpage is nubi http://www.lo-mac.com

 

What a shame!

[VMFA117_Poko]

I've got an idea to help ED by our community. Will post it later, when I come back home (I'm working right now ;)).

[S77th-GOYA]

1 500 000 $

 

Is crap if you ask me

 

Thats enough for a 100 000 salary for a team of 15

 

Now considering the number of people that cash in on the game are way beyond 15 people

 

Considering it takes much longer then a year to develop........

 

What's the average annual income in Moscow? $4000?

 

It would be interesting to see the difference in FC sales.

[LawnDart]

To prove how much Eagle Dynamics doesn't care about PR check this link out:

 

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2527

 

This is from huge GAMETRAILERS service.

I'm sure they've made LockOn Gold entry by themselves with no ED's interest in that whatsover. Notice that they say LockOn 1.1 developer is Take2Interactive LOL!!!, and product webpage is nubi www.lo-mac.com

 

What a shame!

 

Not a very good trailer if more market share is what you want! I think the symbology in the trailer sums it up: Crash and burn baby, crash and burn...:music_whistling:

 

LD

[VMFA-Blaze]

What's the average annual income in Moscow? $4000?

 

It would be interesting to see the difference in FC sales.

 

 

I'm not sure if you're aware of this but Moscow is the most expensive city in the world to live in right now, and thats according to a NY Times survey...

 

So don't kid yourself the deveolpers have to be makeing a living otherwise they would not still be here ...

 

Oh and by the way NYC is the 10th on the list...

 

 

~S~

 

Blaze

[LawnDart]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/microsoftflightsimulatorx/media.html?tag=flash_video;videos;0

 

Click on the "Official Movie 2" posted July 31st. Pretty much sums it up for me (wait for the quote at the very end!)... :megalol: :pilotfly: :lol:

[S77th-GOYA]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this but Moscow is the most expensive city in the world to live in right now, and thats according to a NY Times survey...

 

Actually I was aware of that. And unless the NYT did their own survey it was actually done by Mercer Resource Consulting as a basis for outside companies to know how much they should pay someone they send to Moscow to work.

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1142150

 

And what isn't mentioned is that if you're not shipped into Moscow, you don't pay the extravagant housing costs that are putting Moscow on the top of that list. Native Moscovites (Moscowians, Moscowers) get housing subsidized by the govt. This is a bit old, but it was what I could google quickly:

 

However, in mid-1996 the average Russian still spent less than 3 percent of his or her budget on rent because a large share of Soviet-era state housing subsidies remained in place.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+ru0106)

 

I don't claim to know a lot about it, but I do know enough to see that there are more pieces to the puzzle than have been provided in this thread. Maybe Wags can let us know what it's like being an American living in Moscow as opposed to a native.

[Wags]

While I've made quite few trips to Moscow over the years, I have never lived there.

 

-Matt