Su24 low pass over USS Donald Cook (missile destroyer)

[Elwood]

In the meantime, in the Baltic sea, few hours ago... That's a decent low pass!

[Sweep]

"Su24 low pass over USS Donald Cook (missile destroyer)"

 

So, question of the day...Did they jam it with a system they can actually use this time?

 

:megalol:

 

/jk

 

Anyways, cool video! Fencers are awesome. :thumbup:

Edited April 14, 2016 by Sweep
Put the title in there, because I can. : )

[Weta43]

Interesting that they do keep overflying those Arleigh Burke class destroyers with Su-24MP's for some reason.

 

(Not with the Su-34 that officially has the Khibiny system)

[zxarkov]

I bet it is a ELINT operation of some kind.

Edited April 14, 2016 by zxarkov

[Elwood]

Yes, it is strange indeed. but happen more frequently than before between east/est/asia nations.

Did they ask for permission for that?

At the end how they (the low pass dude) know that there are no helicopter/drone operation under progress?

[QuiGon]

Yes, it is strange indeed. but happen more frequently than before between east/est/asia nations.

Did they ask for permission for that?

At the end how they (the low pass dude) know that there are no helicopter/drone operation under progress?

 

They did not ask for permission and there was indeed a polish ASW-helicopter practicing deck operations from the US destroyer which had to be suspended because of safety concerns for the duration of the overpasses.

 

US Navy press release:

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94170

 

 

I bet it is a ELINT operation of some kind.

Possible, but I think the main reason for those overpasses was to show muscle and disaproval of the US destroyer operating in the baltic sea, because the USS Donald Cook is there as part of NATOs balistic missile defence system, which is heavily criticised by the russians.

Edited April 14, 2016 by QuiGon

[Vampyre]

Interesting that they do keep overflying those Arleigh Burke class destroyers with Su-24MP's for some reason.

 

(Not with the Su-34 that officially has the Khibiny system)

 

Judging by this photo at least one of them is a Su-24M. There is a lack of evidence of the other one being a Su-24MP EW aircraft.

 

 

I was on the Kitty Hawk back in 2001 when we had a Su-24MR and a Su-27 come out and do a number of low passes over the carrier. The Su-24MR was low enough for me to see the rivets on the belly of the jet.

[Elwood]

Thanks QuiGon to share that press release, looks really dangerous, I don't want to start any political discussion, let's try to keep it technical.

Making unauthorized low pass on a friendly ship/airspace will cost a lot to any pilot civil/mil.

Doing that over other country ones what? Nothing?

 

On April 12, while Donald Cook was operating in international waters in the Baltic Sea, a Russian KA-27 Helix helicopter conducted circles at low altitude around the ship, seven in total, at approximately 5 p.m. local. The helicopter passes were also deemed unsafe and unprofessional by the ship's commanding officer. About 40 minutes following the interaction with the Russian helicopter, two Russian SU-24 jets made numerous close-range and low altitude passes, 11 in total. The Russian aircraft flew in a simulated attack profile and failed to respond to repeated safety advisories in both English and Russian. USS Donald Cook's commanding officer deemed several of these maneuvers as unsafe and unprofessional.

[Elwood]

That's an hell of shot!

 

Judging by this photo at least one of them is a Su-24M. There is a lack of evidence of the other one being a Su-24MP EW aircraft.

 

 

I was on the Kitty Hawk back in 2001 when we had a Su-24MR and a Su-27 come out and do a number of low passes over the carrier. The Su-24MR was low enough for me to see the rivets on the belly of the jet.

[BIGNEWY]

Morning all, friendly reminder that politics is a no go on the forum and will be moderated heavily.

[Elwood]

Thanks.

Indeed I posted that.

"I don't want to start any political discussion, let's try to keep it technical."

 

Morning all, friendly reminder that politics is a no go on the forum and will be moderated heavily.

[Elwood]

Is the Khibiny an ECM or something more?

 

Interesting that they do keep overflying those Arleigh Burke class destroyers with Su-24MP's for some reason.

 

(Not with the Su-34 that officially has the Khibiny system)

[QuiGon]

Thanks QuiGon to share that press release, looks really dangerous, I don't want to start any political discussion, let's try to keep it technical.

Making unauthorized low pass on a friendly ship/airspace will cost a lot to any pilot civil/mil.

Doing that over other country ones what? Nothing?

 

Who should punish the pilot? I'm sure he had the orders to do that, so it's fine on his side and for his superiors. The other country (the US in this case) can protest on the political/diplomatic level of course, but below that there is not much they can do. Shooting down the aircraft isn't really an option if you don't want to risk a war, especially since it was clearly unarmed. The furthest they can usally go (if ROE permits) is to lock the aircraft with their targeting radar which is pretty scary for the pilot and usally helps to threaten them away.

 

 

Some more pics:

 

 

Edited April 14, 2016 by QuiGon

[Elwood]

Well, in this case it will be a nice mission briefing and a curios mission profile.

 

Who should punish the pilot? I'm sure he had the orders to do that, so it's fine on his side and for his superiors. The other country (the US in this case) can protest on the political/diplomatic level of course, but below that there is not much they can do. Shooting down the aircraft isn't really an option if you don't want to risk a war, especially since it was unarmed. The furthest they can usally go (if ROE permits) is to lock the aircraft with their targeting radar which is pretty scary for the pilot and usally helps to threaten them away.

[QuiGon]

Well, in this case it will be a nice mission briefing and a curios mission profile.

 

This kind of mission isn't something rare. It actually happens quite often. The USS Donald Cook itself experienced the same situation in 2015 and 2014 in the Black Sea:

2015: http://theaviationist.com/2015/06/01/video-su-24-near-uss-ross/

2014: http://theaviationist.com/2014/04/14/su-24-buzzes-us-warship/

 

These kind of missions have been flown by both sides during the Cold War.

Edited April 14, 2016 by QuiGon

[Elwood]

Should we recreate them on DCS.

Is it possible to limit a battleships engage area to 10 meters?

[QuiGon]

Should we recreate them on DCS.

Is it possible to limit a battleships engage area to 10 meters?

 

I'm eagerly waiting for the Viggen and the Hornet and their anti-ship-missiles to actually sink some ships instead of just overflying them :D

[Weta43]

Is the Khibiny an ECM or something more?

Yes, It was mentioned during the first of these flyovers back in 2014:

On 12 April 2014, an unarmed Russian Su-24 "Fencer" fighter jet made twelve close-range passes of the USS Cook during a patrol of the western Black Sea (...) In 2014, the Russian state-run news media outlets ran stories that claimed that in April 2014 a Su-24 equipped with Khibiny had disabled the Aegis Combat System of the USS Donald Cook, a U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, then deployed in the Black Sea. The jamming claims were never directly refuted by the U.S. military and ignored by Western mainstream media; in February 2015, Khibiny jammer's Russian manufacturer KRET' website claimed that Khibiny had not been installed on Su-24 fighter jets, but claimed it was "capable of completely neutralising the enemy radar".

[Elwood]

Heheheh, you are right!

I'm asking here again, what about a recon pod.

I will love missions which the target is taking good stable picture of a particular military asset.

Taking back the camera roll to the base with a Mig21 will be great.

 

 

 

I'm eagerly waiting for the Viggen and the Hornet and their anti-ship-missiles to actually sink some ships instead of just overflying them :D

[Weta43]

It's not good video, but if you keep hitting pause on that youtube clip in the OP looks to me like it's go the nose of an Su-24MP, rather than an M

[Vampyre]

It's not good video, but if you keep hitting pause on that youtube clip in the OP looks to me like it's go the nose of an Su-24MP, rather than an M

 

Quigon's post #13 in this thread has some good quality photos of the jets involved in this incident. One is definitely a Su-24M. The video is too poor to draw a conclusion as to the exact type of Fencers involved. Additionally, I would doubt the Russians would allow one of their handful of Fencer F's out to harass a ship when that can be accomplished with a much less valuable Fencer D's. A dedicated EW aircraft like the Su-24MP does not need to operate in this manner to harass a warship. It has standoff jammers for that.

[whiteladder]

That's an hell of shot!

 

Agreed all the other stuff aside that is a hell of a photograph.

[whiteladder]

. A dedicated EW aircraft like the Su-24MP does not need to operate in this manner to harass a warship. It has standoff jammers for that.

 

I think the point is (what ever the actual type is) that jamming a ship doesn`t get you splashed across every news outlet around the globe. The point of this mission (political) is made by any aircraft coming that close to the warship and being photographed.

Edited April 14, 2016 by whiteladder
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[Elwood]

Ok, that's a challenging mission, what about that:

 

SU-24 mission objective:

1st: Take a selfie with an US warship on the background, neither phone holder or copilot cannot help you.

2nd: Show yourself drinking vodka in the same selfie, yes you need to hold bottle and smartphone.

3rd: Do not activate any enemy AA.

:pilotfly:

 

I think the point is (what ever the actual type is) that jamming a ship doesn`t get you splashed across every news outlet around the globe. The point of this mission (political) is made by any aircraft coming that close to the warship and being photographed.

[Elwood]

Nice spot Weta!

 

It's not good video, but if you keep hitting pause on that youtube clip in the OP looks to me like it's go the nose of an Su-24MP, rather than an M