Final approach question.

[NY3D]

Hi guys, I got a question. I often fly the SU-33 and 27. On my final approach just before touchdown,I slowly pull back on the stick to a 9 degree AoA.My question is,once I got my bird in that configuration can I lock or hold that angle of attack until I safely touchdown ??? I know that the "H" key will keep the aircraft at a certain altitude,but I want to control my angle of attack for landing.Any clues ??:helpsmilie:thanx for the help:pilotfly:

[Guest Cali]

You can't hold that angle of attack, I flare right before I touch down. I have never had a problem with that unless your speed to too low and you just drop down and blow up/break your gear.

[egaRim]

you could try to trim your plane to a certain pitch angle and control your descend with the throttles

[GGTharos]

You can also look at your vertical speed indicator.

 

You don't want more than 2m/s descent rate at touchdown (but 4-5 is file on aproach)

[Corsair7662]

you shouldnt just have it glide itself down to the runway, I just have level flight with like -2 degree descent to glide down to it manually. Once I am like 20 yards from the runway i just pull up to +2-5 degrees, not 9 cause thats to much of a hard landing on the rear wheels. And if your a big plane I hope I'm not part of the air crew :). Usually on the 27 and 33, you can land at about 290-340 knots on your indicator and easily pull back on the stick and let it touchdown soft :-D. Then you can cheer

[golfsierra2]

you shouldnt just have it glide itself down to the runway, I just have level flight with like -2 degree descent to glide down to it manually. Once I am like 20 yards from the runway i just pull up to +2-5 degrees, not 9 cause thats to much of a hard landing on the rear wheels. And if your a big plane I hope I'm not part of the air crew :). Usually on the 27 and 33, you can land at about 290-340 knots on your indicator and easily pull back on the stick and let it touchdown soft :-D. Then you can cheer

 

For the SU-27 and SU-33 (I think you mean them) the speed is in km/h, not knots and - depending on the weight (fuel and ammo left) - the speed will be 260-290 km/h with flaps down. Anything else is way too fast.

 

Don't try to land with 'H' (auto-ALT) on. If you throttle back for descending, only the nose will come upwards till you stall, or the nozzles will hit the tarmack first...

[Kenan]

I just follow my ILS..and that's it. I hold my speed at 320km/h locked and once I'm 0.9 clicks from the carrier, I just disengage speed hold and set throttle to idle. Landing the bird under perfect weather conditions is unbelivably easy.

[GGTharos]

... You use speed hold?

[Kenan]

... You use speed hold?

 

...Yes I do?

[GGTharos]

I still have some respect for you, but ONLY because of your Russian impression ;)

[Gripes]

Just don`t flare to much... :) This big`ol tail on a Flanker will scrape the

runway. Rate of descent and AOA for me. It`s easier in a 33 since it has

a AOA indexer. As far as ILS (land or boat) goes... I prefer using needles

on the HSI, not the ADI... or some circles;) . Supposedly circles are easier - not for me. Perhaps, because I`m trying to fly USN`s (case1)

patters in weather or at night and the circles are telling me to start my approaches at all the wrong distances and altitudes:huh: .

[Force_Feedback]

I usually do the 'Rabb' when landing on the Su-33, coming in low, no hook, touch down, full burners, pull up hard, do a loop, deploy gear, flaps, hook and brakes. And grab some whire and land :P

Did the same thing with 10 m/s turbulence, more fun, less predictable.

 

Landing on autopilot, making an approach farther than 5km out, and using any kind of automatic augmentation is sacrilege when flying the Su-33.

 

Standard landings should be performed in the opposite direction of ship travel, to minimise the chance of having too much excesive Gs pushing your ass into the seat on that ramp, come the other way around, and no problems with that mountain.

[Gripes]

I usually do the 'Rabb' when landing on the Su-33, coming in low, no hook, touch down, full burners, pull up hard, do a loop, deploy gear, flaps, hook and brakes. And grab some whire and land :P

Did the same thing with 10 m/s turbulence, more fun, less predictable.

 

Landing on autopilot, making an approach farther than 5km out, and using any kind of automatic augmentation is sacrilege when flying the Su-33.

 

Standard landings should be performed in the opposite direction of ship travel, to minimise the chance of having too much excesive Gs pushing your ass into the seat on that ramp, come the other way around, and no problems with that mountain.

 

:huh: ...so you`re the one.

[S77th-konkussion]

 

Standard landings should be performed in the opposite direction of ship travel,

 

heheh:thumbup: I did this a couple of weeks ago- but the hook failed to grab a wire. I know it used to work in a previous version...

[Kenan]

I still have some respect for you, but ONLY because of your Russian impression ;)

 

Well, thank you!:smartass:

I use speed hold only when landing on a carrier..other then that, using throttle adjustments..which is in practise like, 90% of the time (our naval wing is picking up dust).

 

It's done in real life quite often and it makes trapping a lot easier. I can do it manually as it's also not a big deal..but gives me little less opportunity to enjoy the landing itself.

 

Don't worry, you don't become Lieutenant in 504th just like that.. ;)

[Force_Feedback]

:huh: ...so you`re the one.

 

I don't take red or blue pills ;)

 

Weed is fine as it is, and morroccan black is too difficult to smoke.

 

Plus, I just like doing the Rabb., it's great fun, but not when you overshoot, then you have to do the Rabb XL, and even if that fails, you better fly back to a land base, land there and start thinking about how you messed up perfectly fine and expensive jet fuel.

[Guest Cali]

In the 33 I follow the circles and I NEVER use alt or speed hold, I visually land 90% of the time on normal runways.

 

How did I know FF was going to talk about drugs :disgust:

[bSr.LCsta]

I don't take red or blue pills ;)

 

Weed is fine as it is, and morroccan black is too difficult to smoke.

 

Plus, I just like doing the Rabb., it's great fun, but not when you overshoot, then you have to do the Rabb XL, and even if that fails, you better fly back to a land base, land there and start thinking about how you messed up perfectly fine and expensive jet fuel.

 

Way to screw up a perfectly good TopGun reference by gripes. :(

[Guest Cali]

Way to screw up a perfectly good TopGun reference by gripes. :(

 

lol :punch:

[Zoltar]

I do use the "H" key to hold altitude while landing and glide down the path by gradually reducing the throttle. This helps me concentrate on other things like speed and line up with the runway. Once i am @ 10 mtr above ground and @ 10 mtrs approx. from runway threshhold, i disengage altitude hold i.e hit "H" key again. I observed that the aircraft is well trimmed now due to "H" and just applying a little bit of forward or back ward pressure on joystick depending upon the AOA indicated.

 

Cheers.