F-14 Cockpit and instrument dimensions

[ITR1102]

On 1/15/2024 at 2:41 PM, Yogi8 said:

I'm not sure why the files aren't there, but on the back end it says that all of the files have been uploaded. I may break the files into two parts on thingiverse 

 

I printed all the files with Creality Print as well without much issue. The first time I printed the flap handle, I did it like in your picture but the top portion was weak and snapped off for some reason so I did have to reprint it. The second time I printed it differently to reduce the amount of supports. Worked fine the second time. Some of the holes were printed at 45° angle to reduce or eliminate the need for supports.

Edited January 17, 2024 by ITR1102

[Gunslinger22]

19 hours ago, Yogi8 said:

I'm not sure why the files aren't there, but on the back end it says that all of the files have been uploaded. I may break the files into two parts on thingiverse 

 

That'd be grouse if you could mate, I'm about 80% done on my build. I'll upload pictures soon so you can cross reference how others have looked. 

 

Edit - @Yogi8 just noticed that the two gears for the left and right potentiometers are missing from Thingiverse also. 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by Gunslinger22

[Lt_Jaeger]

20 hours ago, Yogi8 said:

This is how I sliced it using Creality Print. In retrospect I should have moved the handle to one side so that it wouldn't require supports. 

That's the same way I printed it. Everything is fine, until like after 1/4 of the bend part. Had no room yet to check files, but hope to do so next week. Must be something with my setup. 

[ITR1102]

On 1/15/2024 at 2:41 PM, Yogi8 said:

I'm not sure why the files aren't there, but on the back end it says that all of the files have been uploaded. I may break the files into two parts on thingiverse 

 

@Yogi8 I see there are two new files on thingiverse. I have downloaded the wing sweep hat. The other new file that I see is the left throttle quadrant and I think that file is a duplicate. From what I tied out, its the right throttle quadrant file that is missing.

[ITR1102]

The momentary speed brake switch arrived yesterday from Mouser so I played with it a bit last night. Looks like there is enough room for the switch even though it is significantly larger then the 2 position switch I had for the project. I modified the stl to make room for the switch handle and the increased range of motion required. Looks like this will work; however, not sure if gluing it in place will work or if I'll need to add material to the back side of the throttle cover with a spot to take screws. The switch hat will also need to be modified to accept the larger switch handle but I haven't looked at that yet. I can share the modified stl if anyone is interested and can't do it themselves.

The switch handle appears to be to in one of the far positions in the pictures because it isn't secured to the throttle cover. It is a momentary switch, resetting the the middle, off position.

[Gunslinger22]

2 hours ago, ITR1102 said:

The momentary speed brake switch arrived yesterday from Mouser so I played with it a bit last night. Looks like there is enough room for the switch even though it is significantly larger then the 2 position switch I had for the project. I modified the stl to make room for the switch handle and the increased range of motion required. Looks like this will work; however, not sure if gluing it in place will work or if I'll need to add material to the back side of the throttle cover with a spot to take screws. The switch hat will also need to be modified to accept the larger switch handle but I haven't looked at that yet. I can share the modified stl if anyone is interested and can't do it themselves.

The switch handle appears to be to in one of the far positions in the pictures because it isn't secured to the throttle cover. It is a momentary switch, resetting the the middle, off position.

This is great, could you share the modified stl? Thinking I’ll do the same. 

[Yogi8]

Hey guys,

I deleted and uploaded the right/left throttle and flaps spur gears. Also uploaded the right throttle body again. I'm sorry for the issues with thingiverse.

 

20 hours ago, ITR1102 said:

The momentary speed brake switch arrived yesterday from Mouser so I played with it a bit last night. Looks like there is enough room for the switch even though it is significantly larger then the 2 position switch I had for the project. I modified the stl to make room for the switch handle and the increased range of motion required. Looks like this will work; however, not sure if gluing it in place will work or if I'll need to add material to the back side of the throttle cover with a spot to take screws. The switch hat will also need to be modified to accept the larger switch handle but I haven't looked at that yet. I can share the modified stl if anyone is interested and can't do it themselves.

The switch handle appears to be to in one of the far positions in the pictures because it isn't secured to the throttle cover. It is a momentary switch, resetting the the middle, off position.

These prints are more beautiful than mine!

[ITR1102]

Stayed up a little too late last night making some modifications. I first made a spacer that I figured I'd just superglue to the back of the throttle cover and then I figured, why not try to just print it as a single part. I've attached the .stl file of the latest mod and have added some pictures to show what it looks like with the switch mounted. I used two 2mm x 0.4mm x 10mm screws to attach the switch to the throttle cover. The spacer does two things. First, it gives the switch something to attach to so it won't move. Second, it lowers the switch handle to the same position as the original switch that was planned to be used. 

*Edit - speed brake hat has been edited and .stl attached.

** Edit - throttle body and blade has been edited and .stl files attached. More info can be found in a later post.

 

 

Modified Throttle Quadrant With Integral Spacer.stl

Modified Speed Brake Hat.stl

Trial 2 Modified Right Throttle Body.stl Trial 2 Modified Blade - Right Throttle Quadrant Handle.stl

Edited January 21, 2024 by ITR1102

[Gunslinger22]

12 hours ago, ITR1102 said:

Stayed up a little too late last night making some modifications. I first made a spacer that I figured I'd just superglue to the back of the throttle cover and then I figured, why not try to just print it as a single part. I've attached the .stl file of the latest mod and have added some pictures to show what it looks like with the switch mounted. I used two 2mm x 0.4mm x 10mm screws to attach the switch to the throttle cover. The spacer does two things. First, it gives the switch something to attach to so it won't move. Second, it lowers the switch handle to the same position as the original switch that was planned to be used. 

*Edit - speed brake hat has been edited and .stl attached

 

 

Modified Throttle Quadrant With Integral Spacer.stl 340.51 kB · 2 downloads

Modified Speed Brake Hat.stl 194.03 kB · 1 download

 

Thank-you so much for this, purchased the same switch so this is very welcomed. Also @Yogi8 mate your efforts have been huge and this is a must for any Tomcat pit builder so thank-you once again. 

[ITR1102]

Absolutely and those of us using this throttle can't say it enough. @Yogi8 we are so grateful for your tremendous efforts in making this happen.

This morning I found that the blade for the right throttle is presenting a challenge using the larger switch. This will definitely take some rework of the blade and depending on the best way to go about that mod, perhaps the main body of the throttle quadrant. I'll think about it today and see what would require the least amount of work. My 3D design skills are seriously lacking though so any help on this is much appreciated.

[ITR1102]

What type and size of switches are used for the wing sweep and mic buttons on the right throttle quadrant? I may have overlooked purchasing those. Was testing out fitment with the mods and realized I didn't have those.

[Yogi8]

2 hours ago, ITR1102 said:

What type and size of switches are used for the wing sweep and mic buttons on the right throttle quadrant? I may have overlooked purchasing those. Was testing out fitment with the mods and realized I didn't have those.

I used RKJXT1F42001 switches. I bought them off from ali for $2 each instead of $7 each from Amazon.

 

[Gunslinger22]

@Yogi8 just a question regarding the cover panel for the throttles, is this part currently correct: 

The throttles don’t seem to run very well down it logically and the detents don’t seem to match up with this diagram: 

With your permission I’d like to attempt to edit the original file to better match that diagram and for both to be symmetrical, cheers mate. 

Edited January 21, 2024 by Gunslinger22

[ITR1102]

Updated the post above with a crudely modified right throttle body and blade. The blade was significantly reduced in size to work with the larger slide switch, essentially cut in half. Added an additional screw point for the blade to throttle handle body at the bottom. The top screw point for the blade has been extended - this may not have been necessary at all but my thought was to use a longer screw and it may help reinforce it as the blade has fewer attachment points now. As I mentioned, this was quick and dirty and I'm not a 3D designer so the hole will have to be drilled. How I plan to assemble it is to lay the blade on the body, drill and place the screw in the new/bottom point, then add the cover plate and remaining screws. Since the Blade doesn't extend to the front attachment points anymore, I just raised those points to the same height as the outside edge so the cover won't have a gap between the pieces for the screws. Pictures should help explain it. I test fit everything as best I could but don't have the two 4-way switches yet. @Yogi8 hopefully you aren't cringing when you see this as its not beautifully engineered like your originals, but it should work.

Edited January 21, 2024 by ITR1102

[Yogi8]

5 hours ago, Gunslinger22 said:

@Yogi8 just a question regarding the cover panel for the throttles, is this part currently correct: 

The throttles don’t seem to run very well down it logically and the detents don’t seem to match up with this diagram: 

With your permission I’d like to attempt to edit the original file to better match that diagram and for both to be symmetrical, cheers mate. 

 

I based that piece on photos such as these.

[RustBelt]

I think that may be a structural sub layer, not the actual “detent tracks” which screw on top of it.

Or the detents are IN the pivot mechanism which would be more complex.

Edited January 21, 2024 by RustBelt

[Gunslinger22]

3 hours ago, Yogi8 said:

I based that piece on photos such as these.

Ah I see, though I think @RustBelt may be correct in that it mustn’t be how the actual detents works as the above picture shows it to be. As that shows Mil being less the 1/4 after idle and the other 3/4 being for Max. I’m going to attempt to make the cover like the diagram shows and just slightly larger than the throttle stem width so that there is less play along the tracks. 
 

I’ve also reinforced my friction handle, flaps handle and both throttle stems with metal. I’ll post soon on how I did it. 

[Gunslinger22]

Well since I've never used Fusion 360 before it may take me quite some time before I'm able to edit the top cover to have the correct detents. 

Question for anyone else whom has printed the throttle, are your throttles very far apart compared to @Yogi8? Mine are a good 35mm apart. 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by Gunslinger22

[ITR1102]

I haven’t assembled mine yet unfortunately. Need to finish painting a couple of pieces but was too damn cold the last couple weeks.

[Lt_Jaeger]

Just finish printing the last parts (I hope). Need to get now on sourcing the other hardware. 

 

[Yogi8]

On 1/23/2024 at 12:27 AM, Gunslinger22 said:

Well since I've never used Fusion 360 before it may take me quite some time before I'm able to edit the top cover to have the correct detents. 

Question for anyone else whom has printed the throttle, are your throttles very far apart compared to @Yogi8? Mine are a good 35mm apart. 

 

The 35mm is a design flaw, I recently redesigned the left throttle stem but haven't printed it yet. Your throttle is so much nicer than mine! I'm blown away. I can send you the fusion 360 files, they're a disaster but might help you out. 

 

 

[Lt_Jaeger]

2 hours ago, Yogi8 said:

I can send you the fusion 360 files, they're a disaster but might help you out

Oh, I would also be very much into this, since I adapted already a couple of things for my needs, but it is hard working of stl files (at least for me) 

 

[ITR1102]

Wanted to share some info about the Volume panel I've been working on. I hit a roadblock on the TACAN CMD portion and had no idea what kind of switch I was looking for. Eventually I read enough to figure out this was a Korry type switch, but making them looked to be more work/time than I was able to spend on it. Thankfully, I was led to 737diysim.com and I found the following item. The switch travel is less than 1mm when depressed but otherwise will work out very nicely and looks like an authentic switch as far as I can tell from photos. I didn't pay enough attention when customizing the text at time of order, so the top line on mine says PILOT rather than PLT, but I'll just have to live with that mistake. It was pretty inexpensive and there's no way I would have been able to generate a Korry type replica switch any cheaper on my own. I haven't hooked mine up yet as it just arrived today, but am resuming work on the 3D design of the Volume panel now. As far as sizing, it appears to be almost a perfect match to the reference images. It ships from the UK and arrived at my home in the central US in 13 days. Given the price point, I'm impressed.

https://www.737diysim.com/product-page/custom-dual-colour-korry-replica

[RustBelt]

14 hours ago, ITR1102 said:

Wanted to share some info about the Volume panel I've been working on. I hit a roadblock on the TACAN CMD portion and had no idea what kind of switch I was looking for. Eventually I read enough to figure out this was a Korry type switch, but making them looked to be more work/time than I was able to spend on it. Thankfully, I was led to 737diysim.com and I found the following item. The switch travel is less than 1mm when depressed but otherwise will work out very nicely and looks like an authentic switch as far as I can tell from photos. I didn't pay enough attention when customizing the text at time of order, so the top line on mine says PILOT rather than PLT, but I'll just have to live with that mistake. It was pretty inexpensive and there's no way I would have been able to generate a Korry type replica switch any cheaper on my own. I haven't hooked mine up yet as it just arrived today, but am resuming work on the 3D design of the Volume panel now. As far as sizing, it appears to be almost a perfect match to the reference images. It ships from the UK and arrived at my home in the central US in 13 days. Given the price point, I'm impressed.

https://www.737diysim.com/product-page/custom-dual-colour-korry-replica

Oooooo good find! You don’t want to know how much the real ones sell for!

Edited January 26, 2024 by RustBelt

[ITR1102]

On 1/20/2024 at 8:25 PM, Yogi8 said:

I used RKJXT1F42001 switches. I bought them off from ali for $2 each instead of $7 each from Amazon.

 

 

@Yogi8 Do you have any pictures of your wiring / pinout for the 4-way switches?