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LASooner
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Think of the stupidest button box you could make for DCS.... yup. I made it. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/tape-player-button-box-for-dcs-f-14-tomcat Hey Heatblur, if you're watchi

Yogi8
Yogi8

Gentlemen, Beauty shots incoming! A build video, the parts list and 3d files will be posted sometime this coming week! Everything works, except for the flaps handle, but that’s being sorted (s

LASooner
LASooner

Got a lot of work done this weekend. gauges are non functional, but switches, buttons and pots will work, as well as the 7 segment LEDS.. hopefully Sent from my Samsung Chromebook Plus using Tapatalk

AusMumbles

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Heya Gents,

Quick and dirty pics of the HSD. Still WIP. I'm quite happy with the little HDG/BRT type indicators. They backlit quite well. I've still got to cut a 3mm clear screen protector (current one is 1mm) and put the pots in. 

Good pick for the screen @Elo. What pots did you end up using?

Cheers,

Mumbles

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Elo

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On 10/27/2024 at 11:03 AM, AusMumbles said:

Heya Gents,

Quick and dirty pics of the HSD. Still WIP. I'm quite happy with the little HDG/BRT type indicators. They backlit quite well. I've still got to cut a 3mm clear screen protector (current one is 1mm) and put the pots in. 

Good pick for the screen @Elo. What pots did you end up using?

Cheers,

Mumbles

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@AusMumbles Nice Backlighting indeed! Im using Rotary Encoders, not Pots: https://www.tme.eu/en/details/ec11e20-20p20c-sw/incremental-type-encoders/sr-passives/
Pretty generic, got them on ebay. The button press they add will be useful for DCS-specific functions, or so i hope, and for the CRS at least we need the unlimited rotations.

I recommend using a semi-translucent black/gray acrylic for the screen protector (I use Plexiglas 7C83 GT), to hide the mask on the sides and make it look more like a proper round edged CRT screen.

As you can see the screen backlight still shines through a bit, might experiment with even darker acrylic (the one i use already only lets ~21% of the light through)

 

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RustBelt

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I use Magnetic Absolute encoders for HDG, CRS, OBS. (Basically compass stuff.) The incrementing ones are either too slow or skip too many spaces per increment. 
 

Absolutes pump out a 0v at 000, around to 5v at 359. So one full turn is 360 degrees, or you can gear it to 180 a full rotation. Probably math a magic it too if you spend a whole $4 more dollars to put an intermediate Pi Pico between the encoders and your MMJoy2 or DCSbios arduino. (They’re still stuck with Megas isn’t it?) Basically it’s a Hall effect sensor in a potentiometer shaped case with a transducer output.

Pricier at $35/per but 100% how they work in the cockpit.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X42RB5D/?coliid=I4NMFOICK6APG&colid=2Z693F6I90C69&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_ys_dp_it

Pot for fixed arc, Absolute Encoder for round and round forever. Interval encoders only for stepping interfaces like the NS-430 knobs.  
 

Don’t get me started for 3 and 5 turn Pots for stuff like the Altimeter Baro setting. I need professional help.

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BULLITT83

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hi TOMCATERS ! 

 

here is some news from FRANCE , my pit progress, but i miss the U parts , the vertical one of the windscreen above the instrument panel, i've no plan, no drawing of it ? did someone have a plan of this part ? 

i've the front windshield part , but not the vertical one.

 

i take a picture of AUSMUMBLES to illustrate with a red arrow

 

Best regards

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AusMumbles

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@BULLITT83 that is looking phenomenal mate!

I'm pretty sure it was in the last .skp I uploaded. I'll have a quick check for you now. (https://forum.dcs.world/topic/141193-f-14-cockpit-and-instrument-dimensions/?do=findComment&comment=5296407) - pretty sure it's in here. 

I cut out two of them with some offcuts layed in as stand-offs to make it four pieces thick, then glued it together. I then just wraped it in 2 or 3mm mdf I cut into a strip, then glued it on as per the last photo you posted of mine. 

Cheers,

Mumbles

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BULLITT83

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Hi Ausmumbles, again thanks a lot, my pit is liket taht thanks to YOUR work ! you make a very good job with the 3D model.

 

You are right this parts is included in your model, but i used a PDF layout of your model i download from someone else ( i don't remember the name) and this parts is not included, and for the moment i don't find on sketchup how to produce a real size layout of that part . 

Usually i print the layout and draw it on the wood that i then cut.

 

Do you know how to produce a layout ?

 

Best regards

 

Guillaume

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Jar72

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Hi @BULLITT83,

 

I believe the guy you mention was... me? From France also ;-).

Here is the extract of the windshield in .svg, from Mumble's model. Is that what you were looking for?

FYI, to extract some parts / faces from Sketchup, you can select these, then do right-click, SVG layout, then SVG write. You will have to add the ".svg" as the extension of the file name, as it may not be there at creation. See screenshot below. It's a bit tricky, do not hesitate to get back to me, if I can help?

 

 null On my side, thanks again to @AusMumbles, I have finished the structure based on your model. I took the liberty to simplify it for several reasons : complexity, time, room volume, I'm in VR... I did draw and cut old floor panels manually with a jigsaw, 22 mm thick. So yeah, quite a long time to process everything. I am very happy with the results, within a 1 cm tolerance maybe ? I had to adjust things because of the manual cutting, and  also take into account the thickness being different to the model. But it cost me about 10 bucks of screws and that was it. Worth every 1000 pennies of it, a real game changer.

 

I am now moving on with the avionics. (I have bought a 3D printer. Man, this is awesome, how did I live without it before? 🙂). Since I could not find the designs as a fully complete set, I undertook to re-design all of them, adapted to the switches I will buy. I believe the design is quite accurate, as I'm re-drawing from a scale 1 artistic painting in high resolution, found somewhere in this thread. I enclose here the first 2 panels.

@AusMumbles, I think you were looking for those, do not hesitate to tell me if they are ok for you ? I have the original Solidworks parts, and can convert them to all possible formats. I should finish all of them by end of year.

EDIT : I will contact LASooner, I just found he already did an amazing job on all the panels. Maybe he can share the files with an arrangement...

 

I just love DCS. Can you imagine we are about to get the yellow shirts soon ? Talk about immersion within a full real cockpit...

Cheers all, moving on with the panels design.

 

PS : You can see I did not strictly follow @Victory205's recommandation regarding the seat. I did add real cushions instead of the nails and bricks. Sorry, but hey, sometimes I sleep in it.

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Ltdan853

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On 10/7/2024 at 5:14 PM, AusMumbles said:

Quick progress update,

VDI and HSD prototypes pretty much work. (Minor refinements in pot hole sizing, mounting etc) to come.

Intrum VKB stick is in as well. 

Has anyone from the cockpit building community managed to make a ribbon guage yet? Same same with the fuel guages odo style counter. I'm a bit stumped on how to effectively achieve it at the moment

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Hey mate, do you have a link for the 3d files to the instrument panel. I'm wanting to start my own simulator pit

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AusMumbles

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@Jar72 thanks for putting that svg up man! Your pit is coming very along nicely. 

I've made a bit more progress with my 3d models for the front panel. The VDI, HSD and ACM panel have all come up rather well. I'll push the draft .stl files up in the next week or so once I've got the rest of the kinks out. 

Cheers,

Mumbles

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Ltdan853

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Is there a specific program to use to read the files for the cockpit. I'm trying to get the dimensions to start but I'm getting bogged down trying to figure out the programs to get the dimensions. 

Once thats done I can tackle making the 3d files for the gauges and instrument panels.

Thankyou guys

Elo

Elo

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1 hour ago, Ltdan853 said:

Is there a specific program to use to read the files for the cockpit. I'm trying to get the dimensions to start but I'm getting bogged down trying to figure out the programs to get the dimensions. 

Once thats done I can tackle making the 3d files for the gauges and instrument panels.

Thankyou guys

Hey @Ltdan853

For instruments i recommend using Modelviewer 2, which is built in with DCS. It has an Orthographic view option with which you can make screenshots that are not distorted by Perspective/FOV. You can find the dimensions for some of the instruments online, for instance the Altimeter is 3.25in on each side (see the attached PDF), and extrapolate from there with the image editing software of your choice (even Paint 3D will work) and some rule of three calculating.

For Panels, you can also use MV2 (and extrapolate from the width of the panels, which is 5.75in), or use this high-resolution schematic https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Utk7XcOaj622XG_r18X_Xw4PLhM4meY_/view. Its not 100% accurate, but ive found the text and switch/button positions to be good enough. For a template for the panels and more information on their design, see this post:


Cheers

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Ltdan853

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9 hours ago, Elo said:

Hey @Ltdan853

For instruments i recommend using Modelviewer 2, which is built in with DCS. It has an Orthographic view option with which you can make screenshots that are not distorted by Perspective/FOV. You can find the dimensions for some of the instruments online, for instance the Altimeter is 3.25in on each side (see the attached PDF), and extrapolate from there with the image editing software of your choice (even Paint 3D will work) and some rule of three calculating.

For Panels, you can also use MV2 (and extrapolate from the width of the panels, which is 5.75in), or use this high-resolution schematic https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Utk7XcOaj622XG_r18X_Xw4PLhM4meY_/view. Its not 100% accurate, but ive found the text and switch/button positions to be good enough. For a template for the panels and more information on their design, see this post:


Cheers

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Thankyou. For that. I hope you had a good Christmas mate 👍

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AusMumbles

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@Ltdan853,

What's your end game here mate? (Full pit, desktop sim etc).

If it's a full pit your best bet is to take @Jar72 .svg files converted from my sketchup model (built from Heatblur's/Cobra's 3D scans and have them CNCed. That will give you the guts of the cockpit frame that Jar, @BULLITT83 and myself are all all using. I've got a bunch of stuff (stl's) to upload shortly for the ACM panel, VDI, HSD, left and right instrument buckets and mounting brackets etc to fill out the put with 3d printed parts that have been installed in mine over the last few days. 

The link that @Elo posted will do a good percentage of your panels as well. 

Cheers,

Mumbles.

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Ltdan853

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4 hours ago, AusMumbles said:

@Ltdan853,

What's your end game here mate? (Full pit, desktop sim etc).

If it's a full pit your best bet is to take @Jar72 .svg files converted from my sketchup model (built from Heatblur's/Cobra's 3D scans and have them CNCed. That will give you the guts of the cockpit frame that Jar, @BULLITT83 and myself are all all using. I've got a bunch of stuff (stl's) to upload shortly for the ACM panel, VDI, HSD, left and right instrument buckets and mounting brackets etc to fill out the put with 3d printed parts that have been installed in mine over the last few days. 

The link that @Elo posted will do a good percentage of your panels as well. 

Cheers,

Mumbles.

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I'll be starting with the main instrument panel then moving to make the full pit including seat. 

Can't wait to see how the 3D printed parts fill out your cockpit mate its looking aces so far.

Thanks again for the help.

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Elo

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11 hours ago, AusMumbles said:

@Ltdan853,

What's your end game here mate? (Full pit, desktop sim etc).

If it's a full pit your best bet is to take @Jar72 .svg files converted from my sketchup model (built from Heatblur's/Cobra's 3D scans and have them CNCed. That will give you the guts of the cockpit frame that Jar, @BULLITT83 and myself are all all using. I've got a bunch of stuff (stl's) to upload shortly for the ACM panel, VDI, HSD, left and right instrument buckets and mounting brackets etc to fill out the put with 3d printed parts that have been installed in mine over the last few days. 

The link that @Elo posted will do a good percentage of your panels as well. 

Cheers,

Mumbles.

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Already preparing for the B(U), nice 😉

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Hagen

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Hello,

I have been reading this post for a long time and I enjoy seeing all your creations.

I decided to register to share this adventure with you.
I started by making the panels. Here are a few, the PCBs not being done.

The 5 switches on the DISPLAYS panel works as I want it to

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