Open Source Virtual Reality - OSVR and DCS

[metzger]

Go and use them in dcs then.

All that is jiby jaba until we see it actually working.

 

EDIT: I read you post and I cant see you to pointing any HMD that you can buy, plug in your pc and play DCS (in the end this is dcs forum, not vr forum) with it. All I see is some general VR talking for some unfinished HMD projects that some day may happen or forgotten and thats it.

You are saying oculus is blocking vr progress.. fine. Might be true but it sounds more like conspiracy theory. Oculus was first anounced and they start selling DK1 back in 2013? (Development kit) for developers, so all developers had the chance to make their software to support oculus 4 or more years ago. Where were pimax or others back then ?

It is like someone create a great Operating system now but there is not a single program for it, just an os and someone says hey xxx OS is great, well you cant install anything on it but someday you will. Stop buying windows they are monopol, install xxx and wait for all developers redo thir software to support the new OS. Does it makes sense ?

 

I cant explain it simpler. They all (hmds) might have great displays great everything but without proper support they are useless. Pimax does not work properly with dcs (again we are in dcs forum) and does not have 6dof tracking which is a show stopper for DCS so it is a no go at least for me. As we already saw from some people OSVR image is nowhere near Oculus and software is crap and unfinished so it is useless.

When they come with finished working product I would love to buy them, until then they are useless waste of money.

And note that I used DK2 and even for a dev kit I never had a single game stoping issue with it, so the software was still good.

Edited February 6, 2017 by metzger

[metzger]

In adition, you are saying Oculus hardware is cheap so they are overpriced. Just to let you know if you dont.. software is more expensive than hardware and gues what.. Oculus software is much better than any other cheap hmd (if we can call $350 that much cheaper than $600).

May be if pimax invest in software they can make it good but will they still be that "cheap" ?

Why osvr made opensource their crappy software ? Because investing in development would make them expensive and making open source mean "here take that hardware and start developing the software" - good luck with that.

 

EDIT: If you look the design of all hmds they are all look like DK2, so they took the design more or less from Oculus, took a display put it in some cheap plastic box with straps, create some buggy software and throw it on the market. They did not develop the technology the design and put 0 efforts to develop their software. So what they are selling basicly is chinese smartphone display in a cheap plastic box with stolen design. And you are saying oculus is overpriced and blocking the vr progress :)

Edited February 6, 2017 by metzger

[wormeaten]

Come on give me some facts or stop spiting on other technologies thrn OR. You are constantly forcing individual subjective impressions without covering it with technical preferences.

 

Video recorded with cheep mobile camera true lens is not fact but your nonsense is? If you are trying to prove your self that you are not ripped of by Oculus then don't do it to the others trying to convince them like Jehovah witness.

 

And average pilot pleas do not quote just part of my sentence and thoughts and put them completely out of contents I was write. Read everything or do not read at all. It is your choice but don't twist my words please.

 

I send you lots of links and data to show you what I'm talking about and please if you want go more deeper in that pleas learn basics about VR tehnology and not base your clame on facts that "it is working" and "it is in black color".

 

Only thing I try to say that we need general VR standards so you can plug in in your PC and will be recognized as VR not as OR as it is now even for the Vive and you can't say Vive is bad product. Vive have best tracking system among all VR. Steam is already working on sharing Steam VR as some sort of general VR standard so soon all this VR will work same as OR with general standard and than OR will drop in half of the price. Same way as it was with some other standards.

 

And yes it is not about software it is about OR hardware signature and if you know the basics about OR tehnology and how it is made then you will understand what I'm talking about.

 

Mean while you can't turn me into OR witness just based on facts its working and its black. The only facts you provide.

 

Over and Out.

Edited February 6, 2017 by wormeaten

[metzger]

The simple fact is you can't play dcs with anything but OR or vive. What and when will happen in the future... God knows :)

 

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[wormeaten]

The simple fact is you can't play dcs with anything but OR or vive. What and when will happen in the future... God knows :)

 

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And what is on video I post before, Super Mario?

 

Come on it is not funny any more. How many prows you need. It is ridiculous continuing after all proves I publish.

 

DCS don't need Steam VR or some other platform and if you conect your VR in direct mode DCS do it by its self. I even sebd you link of the software my friend use on the Video. Yes and he do it on purpose detail with rockets when DCS drooping FPS massively. And it is running on GTX 680 old GPU and Xeon OC on 3.4 MHz.

 

Do you need more embarrassment?

[metzger]

Then go for it. I prefer the rift. There are videos of people playing with google cardboard :)

 

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[metzger]

I haven't seen anyone bought osvr and saying "hey that's great works like charm" not a single person in the forum who tried it said a good word for it. Look the OP. And how much cheaper it is? 400 bucks for heavier no headphones no controller dk2 design with poor software and according to the reviews and opinions worst image... Yeah great :)

 

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[lefuneste01]

I own a HDK and play some hours with DCS in the gazelle campaign, with the previous bad tracking. So it is playable, even not as great than with the Rift. It is heavier, surely not as confortable as the Rift. But I can use it without glasses.

The HDK2 pleased me because I spend nearly more time on make it working that playing with it. I opened it a lot of time, strip it down, removed the diffuse layer, and I am making a 3D model in order to print an alternative screen support part. The idea is to have more margin for the lens settings for near-sighted like me.

There is no good reason to buy it instead of an Oculus or a Vive unless you want to hack it or have a better undestanding of software component for VR.

Nethertheless, I would not have buy a Rift, because of the closed aspect of the sofware. I am not sure that the VR future will be on Rift side, because of that.

For example Il2 Bos VR will be nativelly developped on openVR and you can not use 3dmigoto mod with it, unlike the HDK2 or the Vive,

So in my point of view the HDK2 is half the price of the Vive if you use it only for seated simulation game and do not care about room scale VR, controller and other funny stuff. I also hope that there may be some hardware display evolution available for the HDK2 (like the HDK1 upgrade) before evolution of Vive or Rift

Edited February 7, 2017 by lefuneste01

[lefuneste01]

DCS don't need Steam VR or some other platform and if you conect your VR in direct mode DCS do it by its self.

I always tried it with steamVR. Is the tracking working in DCS without sTeamVR ?

[metzger]

I own a HDK and play some hours with DCS in the gazelle campaign, with the previous bad tracking. So it is playable, even not as great than with the Rift. It is heavier, surely not as confortable as the Rift. But I can use it without glasses.

The HDK2 pleased me because I spend nearly more time on make it working that playing with it. I opened it a lot of time, strip it down, removed the diffuse layer, and I am making a 3D model in order to print an alternative screen support part. The idea is to have more margin for the lens settings for near-sighted like me.

There is no good reason to buy it instead of an Oculus or a Vive unless you want to hack it or have a better undestanding of software component for VR.

Nethertheless, I would not have buy a Rift, because of the closed aspect of the sofware. I am not sure that the VR future will be on Rift side, because of that.

For example Il2 Bos VR will be nativelly developped on openVR and you can not use 3dmigoto mod with it, unlike the HDK2 or the Vive,

So in my point of view the HDK2 is half the price of the Vive if you use it only for seated simulation game and do not care about room scale VR, controller and other funny stuff. I also hope that there may be some hardware display evolution available for the HDK2 (like the HDK1 upgrade) before evolution of Vive or Rift

+1.

I am sure that in the future vr will be no difference than monitors now. There will be many, good, bad, cheap, expensive... And all will work natively.

 

For good or bad oculus were first on the market to define the current standard and to have most plug and play software. For people like me who has 2-3 hours for simming and doesn't want to loose time in trying to make something work oculus rift looks like the best choice.

 

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[wormeaten]

I own a HDK and play some hours with DCS in the gazelle campaign, with the previous bad tracking. So it is playable, even not as great than with the Rift. It is heavier, surely not as confortable as the Rift. But I can use it without glasses.

The HDK2 pleased me because I spend nearly more time on make it working that playing with it. I opened it a lot of time, strip it down, removed the diffuse layer, and I am making a 3D model in order to print an alternative screen support part. The idea is to have more margin for the lens settings for near-sighted like me.

There is no good reason to buy it instead of an Oculus or a Vive unless you want to hack it or have a better undestanding of software component for VR.

Nethertheless, I would not have buy a Rift, because of the closed aspect of the sofware. I am not sure that the VR future will be on Rift side, because of that.

For example Il2 Bos VR will be nativelly developped on openVR and you can not use 3dmigoto mod with it, unlike the HDK2 or the Vive,

So in my point of view the HDK2 is half the price of the Vive if you use it only for seated simulation game and do not care about room scale VR, controller and other funny stuff. I also hope that there may be some hardware display evolution available for the HDK2 (like the HDK1 upgrade) before evolution of Vive or Rift

 

How are you dare to say is playable when mezger say it is not working at all?

 

Lets put it on a side and stay with facts. Totally agree with you. I don't own HDK2 or any other VR but I was almost buy CV1 but before I made decision I do some research of VR technology. But when I realize how cheep CV1 actually is as it is just matter of time when OpenVR will start to be major standard implemented in all games you don't have to be smart to realize that future belong to others VR. Soon as this happened CV1 is outdated.

 

I will compare this situation with 3D graphic 20 years ago. Major brand then in GPU was Matrox no one was close then voodoo fx come out. Matrox was doing similar things as Oculus in VR trying to close 3D technology just for them self and didn't go with the flow and sccept OpenGL or DirectX 3D standards. In just two years they vanished like never existing, till then was leading GPU.

 

About OSVR I'm worry about. There is no much activity on the forums or news about it so look like they are in trouble. I don't like it. Better will be if they upgrade HDK 1.4 with 4K display like in Pimax connected true Display Port what will allow sharp SDE free picture and shouldn't be more expencive, maybe cheaper.

 

Here some my thots and facts whot we could expect in future with VR with already existing and available technology.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3036222&postcount=14

[wormeaten]

I always tried it with steamVR. Is the tracking working in DCS without sTeamVR ?

 

I don't know exactly for OSVR but I think should work true Opentrack. Pimax is working in Opentrack using Rift runtime 0.4.2. Try using some of Rift runtime maybe 0.7 or 0.8 used with DK2.

 

Opentrack using as vell SteamVR as input too so maybe this will give you better results.

 

I was experimenting with GearVR but didn't use mobile for tracking. Third part as EDtracker or Track clip true Opentrack work perfectly and with pseudo 6DoF in sims and seething position you don't miss positional tracking at all.

[TripRodriguez]

Interesting if it's not a lack of low persistence, it sure looked like it.

 

I understand this is a subjective opinion, but the "judder" when turning you head was so bad there's no way anyone could argue. I'm not talking about a minor thing here, it was awful! Of course I only tried one HDK so it's possible that unit was having an issue.

[lefuneste01]

Interesting if it's not a lack of low persistence, it sure looked like it.

 

I understand this is a subjective opinion, but the "judder" when turning you head was so bad there's no way anyone could argue.

It was very bad, but they greatly improved it. But the OSVR/steamVR component need still to be updated (should be a matter of days).

[metzger]

The problem is that in the end it is not cheap. 400 bucks for what it offers is not cheaper than oculus. May be compared to vive only it is.

 

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[Nash]

Anyone tried OSVR (Open Source Virtual Reality) ???

 

Hey Folks,

 

Just came across this website for OSVR.

Looks interesting and more affordable than the Rift and Vive plus it is open source.

 

Just want to know if any of you guys had an oppurtunity to try it, and if yes, then can you guys post some reviews?

 

Theres one discussion on DCS that I found in their forums.

 

Regards,

Nash...

Edited February 25, 2017 by Nash

[Haukka81]

Its not good, trackking wont work 100% , maybe after update or two :)

 

 

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[DayGlow]

How are you dare to say is playable when mezger say it is not working at all?

 

Lets put it on a side and stay with facts. Totally agree with you. I don't own HDK2 or any other VR but I was almost buy CV1 but before I made decision I do some research of VR technology. But when I realize how cheep CV1 actually is as it is just matter of time when OpenVR will start to be major standard implemented in all games you don't have to be smart to realize that future belong to others VR. Soon as this happened CV1 is outdated.

 

I will compare this situation with 3D graphic 20 years ago. Major brand then in GPU was Matrox no one was close then voodoo fx come out. Matrox was doing similar things as Oculus in VR trying to close 3D technology just for them self and didn't go with the flow and sccept OpenGL or DirectX 3D standards. In just two years they vanished like never existing, till then was leading GPU.

 

About OSVR I'm worry about. There is no much activity on the forums or news about it so look like they are in trouble. I don't like it. Better will be if they upgrade HDK 1.4 with 4K display like in Pimax connected true Display Port what will allow sharp SDE free picture and shouldn't be more expencive, maybe cheaper.

 

Here some my thots and facts whot we could expect in future with VR with already existing and available technology.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3036222&postcount=14

 

Uhm, actually 3dfx had a proprietary API called Glide. Often a Voodoo card was paired with a Matrox card because Matrox had really good 2D performance. 3dfx died because it couldn't compete with Nvidia with Directx and was bought out by Nvidia. Later Matrox supported DirectX, but couldn't compete with Nvidia and Ati.

 

Matrox still exists and specializes in commercial multiple displays like video walls.

 

Good try though.

Edited February 25, 2017 by DayGlow

[wormeaten]

Matrox still exists and specializes in commercial multiple displays like video walls.

 

Good try though.

 

Didnt try anything. Generally speaking from consumers electronics perspective everything happened like I say. It was just parallel.

 

About OSVR I don't know what to say. Forum is dead and you can see I'm the one who try to start some discussion about DCS on OSVR. No real answers same as on this forum. I know some people have experiance and those on Youtube was just trying Free version with SU 25 and they are nor realy competent because they are not real players of DCS so can't providew proper answers.

 

To mee OSVR is look like in some sort of financial problems because forum is literary dead. No sign of any dev there. Someone mention something about latest update fix problems with tracking but there is nothing official about that update.

 

So I will put on hold anything with OSVR for now.

Same goes ti Pimax 4K, they need to fix some problems first.

 

CV1 or Vive works but too much overpriced, not worth it.

 

I was experimenting with Gear VR and got great results with DCS for 200$ based on 2560x1440 so until something better come out worth of the money they ask I will stick with my LG G3. If you want something better try LG G5 because USB3 connection. S7 don't have usb3.

[lefuneste01]

Hey Folks,

 

Just came across this website for OSVR.

Looks interesting and more affordable than the Rift and Vive plus it is open source.

 

Just want to know if any of you guys had an oppurtunity to try it, and if yes, then can you guys post some reviews?

 

Theres one discussion on DCS that I found in their forums.

 

Regards,

Nash...

It is nearly working well for DCS with the last update, the 360° tracking is working also.

The last problem for the tracking it that the Osvr/steamVR component must be updated (juddering problem), and there are not agenda yet. In two weeks....

You must know that the display of the HDK2 is too dark, but it can be fixed with my 3dmigoto mod, and also that you will have to open it in order to flash the internal IR board.

It is also heavier the the Rift and some people may have problem with their nose colliding the lenses. On the other way I can use it without my glasses.

[Nash]

It is nearly working well for DCS with the last update, the 360° tracking is working also.

The last problem for the tracking it that the Osvr/steamVR component must be updated (juddering problem), and there are not agenda yet. In two weeks....

You must know that the display of the HDK2 is too dark, but it can be fixed with my 3dmigoto mod, and also that you will have to open it in order to flash the internal IR board.

It is also heavier the the Rift and some people may have problem with their nose colliding the lenses. On the other way I can use it without my glasses.

Thanks for the update Mate

[lefuneste01]

 

About OSVR I don't know what to say. Forum is dead

 

Look at https://www.reddit.com/r/OSVR/new/

 

and how did you get 6dof tracking with your Gear VR ?

[wormeaten]

Look at https://www.reddit.com/r/OSVR/new/

 

and how did you get 6dof tracking with your Gear VR ?

 

Thanks for information m8.

 

6dof on GearVR, yes but I'm not using phone gyro at all. Opettrack and IR clip do the work. Now I will try experimenting to use EDtracker (Arduino 9250 based DIY for few $) for directional tracking with clip using for positional tracking only. EDtracker have perfect directional head tracking.

 

There is as well alternative using Aruco printed markers.

 

Edited February 27, 2017 by wormeaten

[lefuneste01]

Opettrack and IR clip do the work. Now I will try experimenting to use EDtracker

But you do not have the full 360° tracking as we are starting to have with the HDK2...

[Jabbers_]

Honestly my time is money and to have to do all this crazy stuff to get some cheaper solution working, not worth my time. And with that I buy a working solution. Not a fan of jerry-rigged stuff. If you have time, and the interest to do that, so be it, good on you, but it doesnt make our decision to buy the expensive version for less hassle a worse decision. Just as it doesnt make your decision to do it the hard way any worse... do what you want stop arguing over minutiae