How much flares can the M2K hold?

[JazonXD]

I remember in a Q&A with Wags, someone asked if the Mirage had CMS programs like the A-10 and the reply was something along the lines of it can only hold 16 flare cartridges anyway so (forgot if it was yes or no).

 

However, now when I look at the mission editor and select the payload for the M2K, I see that you can increase the flares to 48 without affecting any chaff. If you try to increase the amount of flares after 48, you have to use 0 chaff.

 

Wondering if this is intentional? Also if it is, is this realistic?

 

Thanks! (I don't own the module, looking forward to get it though :) )

[iLOVEwindmills]

32 flares with the eclair pod, the indicator will show 64 atm but go down by 2 with each flare. I assume this is a bug.

[JazonXD]

32 flares with the eclair pod, the indicator will show 64 atm but go down by 2 with each flare. I assume this is a bug.

 

Don't the Mirage eject two flares at once?

 

And also, what happened with the 48 that you can use in the mission editor then?

[iLOVEwindmills]

Perhaps its actually 2 flares but just exactly on top of each other? Actually I hadn't thought about that, just looks like a single one drops whenever I used it. Talking about 1.5 here btw, not sure whats going on in 2.0 atm.

 

Not sure about the 48, when I drag the slider to 48 it gives me a full 64.

[JazonXD]

Perhaps its actually 2 flares but just exactly on top of each other? Actually I hadn't thought about that, just looks like a single one drops whenever I used it. Talking about 1.5 here btw, not sure whats going on in 2.0 atm.

 

Not sure about the 48, when I drag the slider to 48 it gives me a full 64.

 

Hmm, when I go into the mission editor and go into the payload section, you can use the arrows to change the flares to 48 while chaff remain at 112. If you go higher than 48, chaff will go to 0. Maximum flare capacity in the mission editor is apparently like 100+...

 

The Eclair pod doesn't do anything to affect the flares of chaff number during the mission editor. I can't speak for multiplayer rearming menu because I don't own the module.

[Zeus67]

The standard amount of flares that the M-2000C can carry is 16.

There are two flare pods with 8 flares each at the wing roots near the brake chute.

 

The éclair pod increases the number by another 16 for a grand total of 32.

 

Any problem with the chaff+flare mix is caused by the fact that currently DCS does not have chaff+flare dispensing pods. So we must simulate the pods presence/absence and this sometimes confuse DCS as for the total count.

[JazonXD]

The standard amount of flares that the M-2000C can carry is 16.

There are two flare pods with 8 flares each at the wing roots near the brake chute.

 

The éclair pod increases the number by another 16 for a grand total of 32.

 

Any problem with the chaff+flare mix is caused by the fact that currently DCS does not have chaff+flare dispensing pods. So we must simulate the pods presence/absence and this sometimes confuse DCS as for the total count.

 

Ah okay, but in actual flight or multiplayer, does that translate to an accurate and realistic flare/chaff count? (16 without pod and 32 with, not being able to raise the number any higher than that?)

[Zeus67]

Ah okay, but in actual flight or multiplayer, does that translate to an accurate and realistic flare/chaff count? (16 without pod and 32 with, not being able to raise the number any higher than that?)

 

That is the real chaff/flare count. The designers considered the main threat to be radar guided missiles and that is why it has a high chaff count. Since it carries the S530D it was expected to engage in BVR combat. The flares are there just in case you get into close combat.

 

The éclair was included to give more protection against IR missiles, specially manpads. The last version, the éclair-M, which the M-2000C RDI does not use, can add up to 48 more flares for a grand total of 64.

[Maulkin]

32 flares with the eclair pod, the indicator will show 64 atm but go down by 2 with each flare. I assume this is a bug.

How do I install the eclair pod? I didn't see it in the armament list in the mission editor.

[T_A]

Station #9 in the the plane , near the Magic pylon

[QuiGon]

That is the real chaff/flare count. The designers considered the main threat to be radar guided missiles and that is why it has a high chaff count. Since it carries the S530D it was expected to engage in BVR combat. The flares are there just in case you get into close combat.

 

And I have to say that this matches my ingame experience (MP). I haven't used the eclair pod so far, because I've never felt the need for more flares. I often use lots of chaff, but seldom need many flares. I'm usally flying in the A-A role, so that's probably different when flying in the A-G role.

[JazonXD]

And I have to say that this matches my ingame experience (MP). I haven't used the eclair pod so far, because I've never felt the need for more flares. I often use lots of chaff, but seldom need many flares. I'm usally flying in the A-A role, so that's probably different when flying in the A-G role.

 

Interestingly, I find myself using the flares quite a bit. Definitely not often but still enough that I want to have about how much the F-15 has. Firstly, the ETs, secondly if you'd ever get into a merge and have to spam lots of flares to defeat that R73, 16 wouldn't last you more than 1 missile.

[Hook47]

I do more air to ground than air to air in the M2000C, so the eclair pod is a welcome thing. Any more developments on the D2M (iirc) IR launch detector?

[Lorenzo.D]

+1

 

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[QuiGon]

Interestingly, I find myself using the flares quite a bit. Definitely not often but still enough that I want to have about how much the F-15 has. Firstly, the ETs, secondly if you'd ever get into a merge and have to spam lots of flares to defeat that R73, 16 wouldn't last you more than 1 missile.

 

That's true, but if the fight hasn't been decided before the merge, then its usally the Mirage with its awesome instant turn rate who gets on the others 6 o'clock. So it's pretty rare that I get R73s fired on me.

[JazonXD]

That's true, but if the fight hasn't been decided before the merge, then its usally the Mirage with its awesome instant turn rate who gets on the others 6 o'clock. So it's pretty rare that I get R73s fired on me.

 

Ahh. I see. I am a 15 pilot and I don't own the Mirage sooooooooooooooooo :joystick:

[Sweep]

Ahh. I see. I am a 15 pilot and I don't own the Mirage sooooooooooooooooo :joystick:

 

Here's the other thing, your Eagle fires off two flares at a time...The Mirage doesn't.

 

30 flares on an Eagle means you can flare 15 times...30 flares on a Mirage? 30 flare-button presses.

[Zeus67]

Here's the other thing, your Eagle fires off two flares at a time...The Mirage doesn't.

Probably because the Eagle has 2 engines and the mirage only one.

 

30 flares on an Eagle means you can flare 15 times...30 flares on a Mirage? 30 flare-button presses.

That means that total Eagle flare capacity is actually the same as standard M-2000C.

[Sweep]

Ah, that was just an example, the Eagle has 60 flares by default. ;)

[JazonXD]

I'm quite sure that in the real thing (f15), you can set each flare dispense to be only one flare, so you'll still end up with 60 flare presses. I wished you could do that in DCS though.