Anyone watch the conference of AMD few days ago?

[Drag0nWIng]

Dr. Su make a big announcement to introduce the next CPU series.

Lisa compared a 8 core 16 thread Zen CPU with I7-6900k at the same frequency, the result shows Zen have the same efficacy with latest intel CPU. And it will launch at 2017Q1.

After that meeting, NASDAQ:AMD had touched $7.70, nearly 4 times as one year ago.

Is there any fans of AMD to discuss about next gen CPU and GPU?

The future is always bright...

:pilotfly:

[Hadwell]

I don't think anyone's going to be able to say anything but subjective rumors until some retail CPUs get in reviewers and overclockers hands...

 

as far as im concerned, AMD makes middle (RX480 = GTX1060/970) of the line parts for slightly cheaper than competitors, until they prove otherwise, with parts I can build a computer around today, that's what they do...

 

fans of any hardware need to stay objective, and instead, disregarding who makes it, look at what something tangible is and how it compares to other tangible things...

Edited August 21, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

Jim Keller has NEVER designed a bad Chip..

 

Food for thought to users that dont believe Zen will compete w/ Intel.

[Tailhook]

Things have been looking pretty good for AMD lately. I'm really curious to see what they do with their SSG design and when they turn it into a mass consumer product. Pair SSG with PCI-E 4.0, woo baby!

[BitMaster]

The CPU alone doesnt make the system.

 

I for one have not forgotten the many bad bad chipsets they sold along with their CPU's.

 

Unless they offer a true ROCK SOLID chipset with on-par performance to an Intel based chipset

 

I will steer around AMD and will also not try to convince others to AMD, as I am the one putting them together and fighting with the drivers.

 

I burned my hands too often on unreliable chipsets, be it for AMD or even Intel with those Nvidia chipsets they once had.

 

 

I bad bit tilts it all !

Edited August 22, 2016 by BitMaster

[Fri13]

Interesting CPU, but again a new socket (AM4) and new RAM requirement (DDR4) that means throw all new mothers in.

 

But I think that these processors are already pass the line "good enough" and game is really played on the GPU front.

[SkateZilla]

The CPU alone doesnt make the system.

 

I for one have not forgotten the many bad bad chipsets they sold along with their CPU's.

 

Unless they offer a true ROCK SOLID chipset with on-par performance to an Intel based chipset

 

I will steer around AMD and will also not try to convince others to AMD, as I am the one putting them together and fighting with the drivers.

 

I burned my hands too often on unreliable chipsets, be it for AMD or even Intel with those Nvidia chipsets they once had.

 

 

I bad bit tilts it all !

 

Intel has had their share of Spoof'd Chipsets.... in the last 4 years...

 

I've had the 800 and 900 Series Chipsets and they are all fine, no problems with any of them,

 

The last issue I had on a chipset w/ AMD was from the VIA KT100/133 Days, Surprisingly my nForce SLI Chipset had no major flaws, outside of being very picky with what types/brands of ram I used.

[SkateZilla]

Interesting CPU, but again a new socket (AM4) and new RAM requirement (DDR4) that means throw all new mothers in.

 

But I think that these processors are already pass the line "good enough" and game is really played on the GPU front.

 

For me, still running AM3+ w/ DDR3 and PCIe 2.0.

 

 

a New Mobo after 5+ years w/ this FX8350 is a welcome upgrade.... :D

[Hadwell]

The thing with DDR3 and PCIe 2.0 is... there aren't any GPUs that require the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, so it only really makes a difference if you're running 3 or more GPUs...

 

and although DDR4 is faster, unless you're running synthetic benchmarks, or on-board video that uses system ram for memory, faster DDR3 memory isn't noticeably slower...

 

as i said before, anything anyone can say about currently non-existant retail hardware is subjective opinion. hard to find facts on hardware that doesn't yet exist.

 

AMD hasn't released any info about publicly available hardware, nor have they compared their new hardware to any intel or AMD cpu part number....

 

they've only said part A is some random percent as fast as part B, without naming either part... nowhere does it say a fully utilized 6900K, just a fixed frequency 3GHz broadwell-E, and they happened to use a 6900K for that fixed frequency...

 

who here runs their intel sandy or later CPU at 3GHz? also lets not forget the 5960X is faster than the 6900K the 6000 series actually has slighly less IPC than even the 4000 series...

 

so yeah... wait till a part you can stick in your computer at home comes out, and you can compare a fully overclocked AMD part to a fully overclocked intel part with an actual model number for each of them... that's my objective opinion....

 

and yeah I really liked the nForce2 MCP-T chipset with my athalonXP 3200+, back when AMD was king...

Edited August 22, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

I Run 3 GPUs, and Plan to replace those w/ VEGA GPUs, which use PCIe Bus for XFire/mGPU instead of the Bridge.

 

There are distinct advantages for me to go from FX8 Core AM3+ to Zen 8 Core AM4.

 

-More PCIe CPU/NB Lanes, and Faster Lanes.

Right now I Run 16x/16x/4x XFire w/ PCIe 2.0, Most of the time the 3rd GPU is Disabled and PCIe Lanes are used for other devices (USB 3.0 Card, 10-Bit HDMI Recording, etc).

More PCIe Lanes in the CPU/NB or even the same amount, would allow me to run my current GPUs at 8x/8x/8x PCIe 3.0 which is pretty much equiv to 16x/16x/16x PCIe2.0, as well as running the 10-Bit HDMI Card at 2x or 4x.

 

-DDR4 and Higher Capacity DIMMs

While my Manual says i can use up to 32GB, finding 4x 8 GB 240 Pin DIMM Kits under $175 for Performance Brands/Specs (not Value Tier Kits!) is getting harder and harder...,

Mean While, DDR4 with it's 288 Pin DIMMs, support 2x16GB Dimms, which can be bought for $130 and leave you room to upgrade to 64GB Later, or Go 64GB for $225-250.

Compared to 2x 16GB 240Pin DDR3 Performance Kits Run #200+, and would be slower.

 

-Higher IPC, SMT, Better Cache, Scheduler, Micro-Op Queue, Etc etc etc.

 

So Lets see the Benefits here, in order for my FX8350 (8c/8T or 4C/8T depending on driver version); to keep up with Intel's Mid Tier 2c/4t and 4c/8t Chips, I have to Ramp up the Clocks to Insane Levels, Throw My Power Consumption Through the Roof, as well as heat output and strain on main board VRM Components.

 

When I can have a 8 Core/16 Thread SMT Chip, Double my Hardware Thread capability, run it at 3.5 or 4.0 GHz, and Comfortably beat the pants off the FX8350, in both single thread and multi-threaded environments.

 

Estimated 40%~ IPC Improvement over the Last Generation "Construction" Cores (Excavator), Which was only used on FM2+, along with Steam Roller, AM3+ Stopped at Pile Driver,

So:

Bulldozer -- Discontinued Early

PileDriver -- Baseline IPC for AM3+

SteamRoller -- +20% IPC Over Pile Driver

Excavator --- +5% IPC Over Steam Roller

 

So, Zen Over Pile Driver is Estimated to be +65-70% IPC Increase Alone,

 

Couple that w/ Fixed Cache Systems/Latency, Branch Prediction, Greater Parallelism, SMT over CMT, etc etc etc.

 

Benchmarks comparing Zen to Intels i7 are one thing, but when you compare those numbers vs a FX8350 at the same 3.0GHz, We get more than DOUBLE the performance.

Edited August 22, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Hadwell]

SMT is what AMD uses because intel has ™'d the term hyper-threading....

 

single threaded performance > multi-threaded performance, for gaming...

 

but yeah, if you're comparing a current AMD cpu with zen, it's a massive increase in IPC, and hopefully forces intel to actually release a CPU that's significantly faster than my 2600K... the reason I haven't upgraded yet.... I want a CPU significantly faster than the 6900K, in single-threaded, single core performance.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Hadwell

[BitMaster]

That for sure sounds ok and makes sense what you say Skate, I would still wait for a few reviews and maybe 6-8 weeks further down to see if they have an easter egg like the 970 Nvidia had or the 480 AMD, both failed in some respect ( memory and PCIe power draw ).

 

Things do happen, they happend with the 686B SB on the said KT133 chipset on the 2nd IDE port and they still happen today. The more different PC's you see and have to fix the lesser the systems get you want to call your own, believe me :)

[SkateZilla]

I know what SMT is, Simultaneous Multi-Threading, It's the Same thing as HyperThreading (or HTT)

 

 

AMD's BullDozer, PileDriver, Steam Roller, Excavator Architectures did not use SMT, they Used Clustered Multi-Threading, which has Different Resource Structure and Command Processes, etc.

Edited August 22, 2016 by SkateZilla

[BitMaster]

SMT is what AMD uses because intel has ™'d the term hyper-threading....

 

single threaded performance > multi-threaded performance, for gaming...

 

but yeah, if you're comparing a current AMD cpu with zen, it's a massive increase in IPC, and hopefully forces intel to actually release a CPU that's significantly faster than my 2600K... the reason I haven't upgraded yet.... I want a CPU significantly faster than the 6900K, in single-threaded, single core performance.

 

+1 for the speed increase ! I hope my Sandy lives long enough to see this happen ;)

[Drag0nWIng]

the 2-way servers is on test bed now, hope amd could give us a big surprise when it launched...

[SkateZilla]

Info from HotChips Convention:

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-architecture-hot-chips/