Kutz is Back in Action

[Colt40Five]

Thought they might just make it a museum and move on, but she's back in action!

 

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060927/54312935.html

[SuperKungFu]

very nice, good to see she still has some fight in her.

[Force_Feedback]

Maybe they got rid of the cockroaches. And maybe they will install some more modern computers and overhauled radar systems.

[Alfa]

Thought they might just make it a museum and move on, but she's back in action!

 

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060927/54312935.html

 

Eh.....why would they "make it a museum"?

 

The ship has recently undergone a very extensive overhaul - although they clearly overlooked the condition of the arrestor gear(or it's wires) :doh: .

 

But although this is a rather serious oversight for an aircraft carrier, the ship as such should be in mints condition and the current repairs were just concerning the arrestor gear that failed.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Alfa]

And maybe they will install some more modern computers and overhauled radar systems.

 

What's wrong with the "computers" and "radar systems"?

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Force_Feedback]

What's wrong with the "computers" and "radar systems"?

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

'88 vintage moment you have there?

[Corsair7662]

very nice, good to see she still has some fight in her.

 

now you see? the russians arnt as stupid as us. they bring a carrier back into service which is over 30 years old but we cant bring back the F-14? WTF IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alfa]

now you see? the russians arnt as stupid as us. they bring a carrier back into service which is over 30 years old but we cant bring back the F-14? WTF IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Kuznetsov entered service in 1991, which makes it 17 years old....not "over 30" ;) .

 

And they didn't "bring it back" - it has been in service all along.....although with some prolonged stays in port for varies repairs and upgrades.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Corsair7662]

well what ever. I heard it was an old carrier. and "old" makes me think of the USS Enterprise (which is still operating great). But anyways, that doesnt mean we cant bring the 14 back. Northrop Grumman needs an Ultra Tomcat idea:)

[britgliderpilot]

well what ever. I heard it was an old carrier. and "old" makes me think of the USS Enterprise (which is still operating great). But anyways, that doesnt mean we cant bring the 14 back. Northrop Grumman needs an Ultra Tomcat idea:)

 

They've had the Ultra Tomcat idea. It didn't win any friends.

 

The jigs and tooling for the Tomcat have been destroyed, it has no political friends, it has no funding, it's hugely expensive to maintain due to it's uber swingwing and other stuff, it doesn't have AESA or AMRAAM (yes, I know because it wasn't funded, but that doesn't matter to accountants) . . . . .

 

 

All that matters to beancounters is that it is expensive to run, would be expensive to upgrade, uses missiles that are beyond their service life, and is generally less financial sense than the Super Hornet.

 

Never mind performance of the airframe - that matters little to an accountant ;)

[D-Scythe]

now you see? the russians arnt as stupid as us. they bring a carrier back into service which is over 30 years old but we cant bring back the F-14? WTF IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The F-14 no longer fits into the type of smaller, smarter military the U.S. wants. It's a cold-war relic designed to protect U.S. Navy assets from fleets of Russian anti-shipping missiles and aircraft, and in its intended role it's an outstanding platform.

 

But the threat of Tu-22M bombers and massive over-saturation attacks by Russian anti-shipping missiles have largely disappeared, and with it, the F-14's usefulness. The Americans aren't stupid, they just don't need the Tomcat anymore.

[hitman]

But the threat of Tu-22M bombers and massive over-saturation attacks by Russian anti-shipping missiles have largely disappeared, and with it, the F-14's usefulness. The Americans aren't stupid, they just don't need the Tomcat anymore.

 

To top THAT off the F/A-18 C-F Hornets make much more capable dogfighters than the F-14 ever was, and makes an even more stable platform to employ A2G ordnance, and the multi-role capability is bar-none of the naval warfare community.

[Corsair7662]

The jigs and tooling for the Tomcat have been destroyed

 

Like Sleeping Beauty....the tooling was NOT destroyed. The production line was disassembled carefully in case it was needed again in the future (for manufacture of specific parts. etc.) and shipped to a still indisclosed location in Midwest for storge in an Army warehouse. It was still there as of last year.

 

To top THAT off the F/A-18 C-F Hornets make much more capable dogfighters than the F-14 ever was, and makes an even more stable platform to employ A2G ordnance, and the multi-role capability is bar-none of the naval warfare community.

 

LMAO the bug being better than the cat? give me a break buddy, dont ever say the hornet is a better dogfighter than the F-14 ever was. That thing cant even pull a max 9G's without blowing off some nuts and bolts. Why do you think the darn this was made? For the Tu-22's and the russian fighters at the time which can do that slow menuver crap. Ask ANYBODY who went to the OCEANA airshow on their saturday show, #6 of the blue angels had to fly to Pensecola FL to pick up a new jet because "it does not suit the requirements of aerobatic needs" as the speaker of the Blue Angels called it. But I call it the quality of the BUG.

[S77th-konkussion]

I'd call it- this jet was too worn out to use. The Blues don't get NEW jets- they use frames retired from combat/ fleet use. Some of them are in pretty rough shape, and their suitability for aerobatics is not always ensured. The Cat was the best at what it was designed for- and now it's time to let it go- sad as that is.

[D-Scythe]

LMAO the bug being better than the cat? give me a break buddy, dont ever say the hornet is a better dogfighter than the F-14 ever was. That thing cant even pull a max 9G's without blowing off some nuts and bolts.

 

You are either highly misinformed or highly biased (my bet is both). It is a well-known fact that the F/A-18 is the *best* low-speed dogfighter out of all the "teen" series of U.S. fighters - i.e. the F-16, the F-15, AND the F-14.

[hitman]

While it may blow some bolts and break seams at 9g's, the Tomcat could only pull 7g's, 8 POSSIBLY in a -4g inverted dive with a MiG-28. Id pick the bug over a Tomcat ANY DAY in a close in knife fight.

[Corsair7662]

hitman, your talking about the F-14A which basically sucked at dogfightting. The B-D versions are much better at withstaining that stress and will manage 9+G's. Just ask any real tomcat pilot :P

[GGTharos]

Perhaps you didn't know this (it wouldn't be surprising) but the F-14 is outclassed by the F-18 on high-AoA maneuvers, which are -low- G maneuvers that dogfights tend to end up in. Yes, the F-14 has a small turning radius, but so does the bug, and the bug will -easily- turn just as hard.

 

And if you want to talk F-14D's, let's talk Superbug, which will happily live in a 9-g turn without any problems.

 

Get over it ;)

[hitman]

Remember that vid of the F/A-18E gunning an F-22? You WONT see a Tomcat even come close to it.

[Corsair7662]

Remember that vid of the F/A-18E gunning an F-22? You WONT see a Tomcat even come close to it.

 

wtf are you talking about? there is no video of an 18E gunning a -22 or that pilot would get hit ass grounded, kicked outta the navy, and just plain put behind bars for friendly fire and his own manslauter. If there is a video...please share it with us all because there would be no such thing. Not to mention the raptor is over 40 million and that would really be a deep hole the navy would have to climb out of if that happened. UNLESS if it is a video of a video game and that is the own pilots problem that he sucks that bad to get owned by a bug.

Basically just put it this way, as Lawndart was telling me in a previous discussion that why would they scratch a 40 million dollar project for a test or in combat? there is no way!!!!!!!!!

[hitman]

wtf are you talking about? there is no video of an 18E gunning a -22 or that pilot would get hit ass grounded, kicked outta the navy, and just plain put behind bars for friendly fire and his own manslauter.

Never heard of Red Flag? NSAWC?? And yes Corsair there is HUD Guntape footage of an -18E all over an F-22, posted somewhere here along these forums.

[hitman]

And heres said thread:

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=15612&highlight=raptor+vs

[Corsair7662]

haha wow, that would be Red Flag. my question is, how do you know its an 18 because Red Flag is only for every "Air Force" of each county, not Navy. NSAWC is a Naval squadron a Top Gun.......

[hitman]

And what makes you think that an F/A-18 pilot would actually shoot an F-22 IRL??? And Red Flag ACTUALLY trains with NSAWC all the time. Your out of touch, Corsair. Just because they transformed NAS Miramar into MCAS Miramar doesnt mean that Top Gun doesnt train with Air Force. Its all the same excersize, really. Same playing field, same gunnery ranges, only difference is different home plates. Well...NSAWC trains in Arizona, IIRC, and Red Flag is in Nevada.

[Force_Feedback]

And it's not 40, but close to 400 mil. Yes the hornet can fly at high AoA, but the F-14D has more engine power, and probably can do some decent high AoA, unlike th F-16, which is like a V-16 without steering wheels, due to its hitler FCS.