Training Missions bug tracker / improvements

[baltic_dragon]

OK, things to add / change in the missions:

 

MISSION 1

- New VO for correct coordinates: N 41 36 43 and E 041 36 52

 

MISSION 2

- Instructor says INS field should be blank, but it is not (check if it is not a bug)

 

MISSION 3

- Update the instructions for TACAN offset to be more specific where the knob should be moved to (post #5)

 

MISSION 7

- Check the gun practice target if it goes aggressive (and why it doesn't)

 

GENERAL

- Go through the audio files and remove the clicks at the end of some of the messages

- Change spelling of "piper" to "pipper" (LOL)

Edited December 6, 2016 by baltic_dragon

[bushido]

In mission 3 as well when you explain the various function of the HSI and the offset to TACAN you say to insert first bearing and then distance but it should be the other way around (if we follow the logic of the function counterclockwise)

[baltic_dragon]

Good point & an easy fix, thanks.

[Azrayen]

Nope please!!

The logic is to set the most-right thing = the bearing. At this point both the needle and the DME counter display the selected (bearing) value.

Then move the mode knob one step left and set the distance. At this point the needle remains on the bearing setting and the DME counter "only" shows the distance you're setting.

The you only have to move the mode knob one more step to the left and you're in VAD active mode.

[bushido]

Then maybe state clearly to move the selector to the far right.

I confess I am not familiar with the name of the greec letter (my mistake, I lack culture) and as the knob was rotated counterclockwise I stick to this scheme.

Edited December 5, 2016 by bushido

[Azrayen]

Theta = θ = always an angle (here, the bearing one)

Rho = ρ = always a distance.

 

This is useful to learn as it is used in various place on the aircraft (e.g. for setting up a BAD too...)

[BattleAxes Skinner]

In the air to air mission; I think it's mission #6. The mission doesn't progress after silencing the caution alarm by switching the FBW system to a/a after jettisoning the fuel tank. Just kept flying around aimlessly waiting for the training to continue - but nothing! Tried this thrice!

[baltic_dragon]

Thanks JSF, I will check it when I am back home on Friday. Has anyone else experienced that?

[zaelu]

I find that the ILS landing training mission is difficult to follow. The final part is taking place in a low visibility which creates a lot of disorientation spatial and temporal (sense of speed is lost) and because time it's becoming short instructions/informations are lost.

 

Also... the dashed line is pointing with which end?

 

IMHO the informations should be given when there is no time pressing. You can't expect someone to land through the clouds and learn some new notions about ILS etc. Take in consideration that one is suppose to talk with the ATC also so when the lady speaks... nothing else is understood.

 

I find the experience as frustrating as a game where you are expected to fail several times so "you know where your enemies are in advance" and you make your moves automatic.

[baltic_dragon]

Hmm... perhaps you are right, but since it is not a campaign and you are not pressed to succeed in order to advance, I feel that you just can try a few times, nothing stops you from doing that. Besides when you try to land in full visibility, you instinctively focus on visual cues and loose part of the attention that should be given to instruments. So I'd rather leave the mission as it is now.

 

I do agree that the whole ILS system is confusing in the beginning. Still, my advice would be to also try campaign M3 where there is better visibility and different set of instructions, maybe this will be a good thing to do before returning to training mission on that?

[zaelu]

I will try it a few times more no problem. I just wanted to say that I found it difficult and I do have a few landings with Mirage (I would say many attempts but not so many good landings as the whole thing is really confusing for me :D... but I can land the Mig21 no problem and I landed it without issues from the beginning if this could be a sign of how much can I land a plane in DCS.)

[BattleAxes Skinner]

Baltic - Why not have a simple visual landing mission too? I can't seem to land this darn thing...it just drops on the runway. What is the landing speed for this thing?

[bushido]

The speed depends of your weight. So you don't want to aim for a specific speed you want to have the speed chevron within the indicator on the HUD and the flight director upon the landing point. This will give you a 14° AOA (indicated on the HUD as well)

If you have these parameter you are good to go and the speed will "automatically" be the good one.

[clanitho]

In the air to air mission; I think it's mission #6. The mission doesn't progress after silencing the caution alarm by switching the FBW system to a/a after jettisoning the fuel tank. Just kept flying around aimlessly waiting for the training to continue - but nothing! Tried this thrice!

 

Work fine, you have to open radio menu and chose F10.

[metzger]

Yeah. A2A mission is fine for me.

The ILS is very challenging but great for practicing, I managed to lend it at my 3rd attempt and I would say leave it as it is.

I also noticed that the mirage is a bit tricky on tuch down but just takes some practice and broken gears :)

 

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[baltic_dragon]

Baltic - Why not have a simple visual landing mission too? I can't seem to land this darn thing...it just drops on the runway. What is the landing speed for this thing?

 

I'd say there is not that much to teach, really, some basic stuff which is, by the way, covered to some extent in the first mission of the campaign.

 

Yeah. A2A mission is fine for me.

The ILS is very challenging but great for practicing, I managed to lend it at my 3rd attempt and I would say leave it as it is.

I also noticed that the mirage is a bit tricky on tuch down but just takes some practice and broken gears :)

 

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Thanks for the feedback, I am quite happy with how it looks and that is what the training missions are for - to be able to replay them and practice.

[zaelu]

I would say the contrary. The perception from within the cockpit while having the seat raised is very confusing for some players. Also because the cockpit shape is not a standard one.

 

Best way would be to have these informations also:

 

Distance from where you should start your approach.

Altitude

Sink rate(s) depending on weight.

Approach speeds and touch down speeds

 

Yes they are "calculated" automatically and all you need is to align those chevrons and brackets and signs but the 2D perspective most o us use can add errors into this especially on final moments.

 

Especially because these are not covered at all in the manual.

 

 

 

Another suggestion I have about the INS tutorials.

 

If you are planning to retouch them maybe it would be a better way to call the INS button on the PCN "INSERT" instead of "I.N.S.". Because... again is very very confusing even if I know what you mean.

 

You are talking about the I.N.S. (aI eN eS :P ) system and saying casually pres "I.N.S." is strange. What I.N.S. to press? The whole PCN panel? Is it loose? :D

 

The key is better called INSERT which is a direct equivalent of ENTER. Is like the Key on A-10C that is shorted ENT. I am sure our English speaking friends would have no problem to understand that Insert means "to insert/enter those numbers into the system" but saying "aIeNeS" it just confusing.

 

And since we are at it. Finally I got it... "BUT" is not an acronym but the french word for "goal" (ha ha... I am a French Language apprentice... an older and slower one) but ( :P ) maybe the meaning of BAD would be nice to be explained too. You know BAD BUT would mean "Bad Waypoint" for some "minds" :) .

Oh and when you translate But in the training mission maybe you should say: BUT means waypoint in this situation. Or is equivalent of waypoint in this situation.

Edited December 9, 2016 by zaelu

[metzger]

I would say the contrary. The perception from within the cockpit while having the seat raised is very confusing for some players. Also because the cockpit shape is not a standard one.

 

Best way would be to have these informations also:

 

Distance from where you should start your approach.

Altitude

Sink rate(s) depending on weight.

Approach speeds and touch down speeds

 

Yes they are "calculated" automatically and all you need is to align those chevrons and brackets and signs but the 2D perspective most o us use can add errors into this especially on final moments.

 

Especially because these are not covered at all in the manual.

 

 

 

Another suggestion I have about the INS tutorials.

 

If you are planning to retouch them maybe it would be a better way to call the INS button on the PCN "INSERT" instead of "I.N.S.". Because... again is very very confusing even if I know what you mean.

 

I meant to leave it as it is configuration wise, visibility etc....We are flying mostly on clear visibility and this part of the sim is uknown for many, praciting lwo visibility is great.

 

They can ofc explain a little better sink rate speed correct alltitude and distance for the approach etc.. If you are confortable of landings it is not a big issue like it is but for rookies it can be frustrating.

[Woolfe]

Hi bd,

 

Thanks for your hard work!

 

I have exactly the same issue as JSF, drop the drop tank, silence the alarm, then, nothing!

[baltic_dragon]

Hey Woolfe, I will look into it tonight when I get back home.

[Woolfe]

Thanks! I'll give it a try.

 

So much to learn

[Woolfe]

Work fine, you have to open radio menu and chose F10.

Thanks, I'll give it a try, so much to learn!!