UN Convoy - Multiplayer Mission

[SUNTSAG]

Hi All,

 

 

 

 

Here is a Multiplayer mission for five airframes which are currently:

x3 Hawgs x1 M2000C and x1 Mig 29A.

 

I am contemplating making this the first in a mini campaign type scenario...but that will be based upon strength of feedback which would be appreciated. It is not designed to be militarily accurate, just hopefully enjoyable whilst immersive.

 

I have used a number of Mods for which I have provided the links below(thank you to their creators). It also uses some of my own scripting which does not seem to play well with SLMOD.....so if you intend running this on a server with it installed, I recommend disabling it in the first instance. I also borrowed some sound files from some very old missions so thank you to their creators too. Whom I now know to be Ranger79 and with his kind permission I include this Sound File Roster:

Ranger79 as "Victor-61"

Qazme as "Juliet-22"

Cobrabase as "Command One"

Gharness as "Victor-62"

. Enjoy.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=183782 UN Vehicle Skins

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180469 VP Airfield Equipment

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=166291 Huey Skin.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1LVMjHctCo9b1pxdF9PdGh0SEk/view?usp=sharing

Edited March 18, 2017 by SUNTSAG

[Raz_Specter]

Excellent work Mate, really good mission +1

[Winston 60]

SUNTSAG, Who did your voiceovers? They are strangely familiar. Have I heard these exact same voiceovers in a previous mission?

[SUNTSAG]

SUNTSAG, Who did your voiceovers? They are strangely familiar. Have I heard these exact same voiceovers in a previous mission?

 

Hi Winston,

 

Yeah it's a distinct possibility, as I mentioned in my original post, some sound files are from old missions; a great source for mission builders.

 

To expand a little, I use multiple sources including Real life recordings... Old DCS missions.... Friends making specific voice overs and the individual sound files contained within DCS. I then splice together what I need using Audacity. :thumbup:

[feefifofum]

If you know where they came from you might want to ask permission just as a matter of courtesy. Sure, you don't need it as these were collected from published free works but it would be a classy move.

Also, isn't it a bunch more work trying to repurpose existing lines than write your own? Sounds exhausting. :lol:

Still looking forward to checking this out, looks pretty slick.

[Winston 60]

If you know where they came from you might want to ask permission just as a matter of courtesy. Sure, you don't need it as these were collected from published free works but it would be a classy move.

Also, isn't it a bunch more work trying to repurpose existing lines than write your own? Sounds exhausting. :lol:

Still looking forward to checking this out, looks pretty slick.

I agree, I think this is not something you should be doing... to take other peoples hard work and incorporate it into your missions without asking permission, no matter how old the original users work is. I remember flying the original mission, I think it was one of Ranger79's early works, and hearing his original production of these exact same voiceovers. You should be aware that mission builders work closely with the voice actors and develop a close working relationship with them. They record the scripts as an individual courtesy to the mission builder and out of love for this sim. For me it takes weeks of planning to prepare the scripts, coordinate with voice actors and for them to record the voiceovers for a single mission, then edit the files for integration into the mission editor. I certainly would not like anyone taking my hours and hours of hard work and putting my files into their missions without first asking for and getting permission. We'll leave it up to Ranger79 to take offense or not, but if these were my voiceovers I'd say: "Don't re-use my sound files... it's not fair to the voice actors, and it's not fair to the mission builder."

[SUNTSAG]

Seriously this is just a simple mission for the community to enjoy if they so wish. The sound files play a small part and are from ancient missions that no longer function in 1.5...as far as I know they were made some six or seven years ago. I don't know who generated the missions or whether or not they still form part of the community.....makes requesting permission a little difficult to be fair...perhaps I should have made a concerted effort to do so....but I made reference to the fact I had used them and gave thanks to the originators (see my OP....no personal credit for the sound files or Mods) and I made sure they were not pay-ware missions or campaigns. Everything here is totally transparent and I have breathed life into a few sound files that lay dormant and unused. I simply used files that suited the mission and saw no point in re-inventing the wheel. If I have caused offence to the originators or broken some form of copyright scenario, then of course I apologise.

 

No less effort has been made on my own behalf putting the files together for the entire mission and not just snippets that you recognise. I am not making anything out of this financially and it is my own love of the sim that has lead to this mission being built (for other peoples enjoyment.....for fun). I am also fully appreciative of the effort that goes into scripting and producing this type of file as I have done so for other missions I have developed. I would have no problem personally with other people using them if they so wished, after all I understood this to be a sharing community. In fact if anything I would be quite proud of the fact that someone else enjoyed my work sufficiently to re-use it.

 

Taking you argument a step further should I have asked the Mod developers.....the Skinners or the script developers if I could incorporate their work into my mission? In summary it's just a mission for people to enjoy that's all. It is obvious to me that my use of the files offends you so apologies, just don't fly the mission...

[Raz_Specter]

Seriously this is just a simple mission for the community to enjoy if they so wish. The sound files play a small part and are from ancient missions that no longer function in 1.5...as far as I know they were made some six or seven years ago. I don't know who generated the missions or whether or not they still form part of the community.....makes requesting permission a little difficult to be fair...perhaps I should have made a concerted effort to do so....but I made reference to the fact I had used them and gave thanks to the originators (see my OP....no personal credit for the sound files or Mods) and I made sure they were not pay-ware missions or campaigns. Everything here is totally transparent and I have breathed life into a few sound files that lay dormant and unused. I simply used files that suited the mission and saw no point in re-inventing the wheel. If I have caused offence to the originators or broken some form of copyright scenario, then of course I apologise.

 

No less effort has been made on my own behalf putting the files together for the entire mission and not just snippets that you recognise. I am not making anything out of this financially and it is my own love of the sim that has lead to this mission being built (for other peoples enjoyment.....for fun). I am also fully appreciative of the effort that goes into scripting and producing this type of file as I have done so for other missions I have developed. I would have no problem personally with other people using them if they so wished, after all I understood this to be a sharing community. In fact if anything I would be quite proud of the fact that someone else enjoyed my work sufficiently to re-use it.

 

Taking you argument a step further should I have asked the Mod developers.....the Skinners or the script developers if I could incorporate their work into my mission? In summary it's just a mission for people to enjoy that's all. It is obvious to me that my use of the files offends you so apologies, just don't fly the mission...

 

I agree, i wouldn't have asked permission to use the sound files, if it was something like the DCS campaigns then yes, but free missions, hell no

 

If someone wanted to use my textures from the various mods i have made avail, i wouldn't be upset, its released free to the community for the use of.

 

Cheers Specter

Edited March 16, 2017 by Raz_Specter

[Wrecking Crew]

Well, here is the debate again about intellectual content.

 

SUNTSAG,

I think you were wrong to use the sound files from previous missions. I have a few sound files in a mission that were made by my wife and my father in law, and I would not feel comfortable if I were to hear their voices come out of your mission.

 

OTOH, what we mission designers do is publicly published. We have NO control over what happens with the mission or its content. I sanctioned my missions for other's use because there is no expectation of control. I do expect respect for the content, and note in the Briefing to retain the authors original comments.

 

If you want others to collaborate in your missions then, Yes, you need to have their permission.

 

Wrecking Crew

[Coxy_99]

Well, here is the debate again about intellectual content.

 

SUNTSAG,

I think you were wrong to use the sound files from previous missions. I have a few sound files in a mission that were made by my wife and my father in law, and I would not feel comfortable if I were to hear their voices come out of your mission.

 

OTOH, what we mission designers do is publicly published. We have NO control over what happens with the mission or its content. I sanctioned my missions for other's use because there is no expectation of control. I do expect respect for the content, and note in the Briefing to retain the authors original comments.

 

If you want others to collaborate in your missions then, Yes, you need to have their permission.

 

Wrecking Crew

 

Actually there is a way of controlling over what happens dont publish any files or the mission itself, Basically only you have the content and dont share it, Im not trolling im just pointing it out, Yes you could make a vid on your mission for youtube, But just dont publish the mission or its content.

[Raz_Specter]

I think the lesson to be learnt here is don't publish to, effectively the world, something that you don't want dissected or shared.

 

Excellent mission though Tony. Looking forward to the next one mate

 

Cheers Specter

[Winston 60]

Well, here is the debate again about intellectual content.

 

SUNTSAG,

I think you were wrong to use the sound files from previous missions. I have a few sound files in a mission that were made by my wife and my father in law, and I would not feel comfortable if I were to hear their voices come out of your mission.

 

OTOH, what we mission designers do is publicly published. We have NO control over what happens with the mission or its content. I sanctioned my missions for other's use because there is no expectation of control. I do expect respect for the content, and note in the Briefing to retain the authors original comments.

 

If you want others to collaborate in your missions then, Yes, you need to have their permission.

 

Wrecking Crew

Yes, intellectual property is the issue here. When people post files here, there's a "License" box in the DCS upload form (see pic below). It asks the author to select how he wants his files protected. Two of the choices are:

 

1. Freeware - Free version, Unlimited distribution.

2. Freeware - Free version, Do Not redistribute.

 

Unless this means something entirely different than these written words, I expect if I select "Freeware - Free version, Do Not redistribute." this means I'm stating that I do not want any part or the whole of my intellectual property reposted or disseminated in any way including having parts of the property ripped out and then used in someone else's work.

 

When Ranger79 uploaded his "Operation Piercing Fury - 01: Welcome to Suse" mission on 19.11.2013, he selected "Freeware - Free version, Unlimited distribution" so it seems he didn't mind if the mission were uploaded elsewhere, but really he's the only one that would have to make a complaint about his voiceovers being ripped out of the mission and reused in someone else's work without permission.

 

[Ranger79]

To me its a matter of respect to another's work.... a simple message asking to use would have been sufficient. I have made multiple videos for the community on mission making and even how to make voiceovers...

 

Lets just say, I wont be playing this mission anytime soon :) Here is the original mission with credit to the voice actors: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=78416&highlight=operation+pilot+search

Edited March 17, 2017 by Ranger79

[SUNTSAG]

In deference to Ranger 79s comments I will remove the links to my mission....but as I do so, I wish to point out and re-iterate some key elements here. Points I believe need to be cleared up.

 

There seems to be a misapprehension here that there was a concerted effort on my part to plagiarize a specific individuals historic mission content (sound files). I believe this is partly due to the inflammatory nature of some of the comments posted here. I will repeat again......that I did not know from which mission the sound files were originally sourced let alone the individual who put the mission together. (refer to my earlier post).

 

The mission was originally designed for the group that I fly with on a regular basis. Based upon the strength of the feedback I received following mission night, I thought I would share it with the wider community; as Multiplayer missions do tend to be a tad thin on the ground. (I personally don't fly single player missions).

 

When I first posted this mission I made reference to the use of content of others and thanked them for their original work (including Mods and Sound Files). Had I passed everything off as my own, that would have a completely different story.

 

So in summary Ranger79 you have my apologies, I had no idea it was your work when I made the mission available; hence not contacting you prior to posting. No disrespect was intended on my part, as I understood the material was free to use. From my own personal perspective, nothing was "ripped out of a mission" it was respectfully re-purposed.

[Ranger79]

In deference to Ranger 79s comments I will remove the links to my mission....but as I do so, I wish to point out and re-iterate some key elements here. Points I believe need to be cleared up.

 

There seems to be a misapprehension here that there was a concerted effort on my part to plagiarize a specific individuals historic mission content (sound files). I believe this is partly due to the inflammatory nature of some of the comments posted here. I will repeat again......that I did not know from which mission the sound files were originally sourced let alone the individual who put the mission together. (refer to my earlier post).

 

The mission was originally designed for the group that I fly with on a regular basis. Based upon the strength of the feedback I received following mission night, I thought I would share it with the wider community; as Multiplayer missions do tend to be a tad thin on the ground. (I personally don't fly single player missions).

 

When I first posted this mission I made reference to the use of content of others and thanked them for their original work (including Mods and Sound Files). Had I passed everything off as my own, that would have a completely different story.

 

So in summary Ranger79 you have my apologies, I had no idea it was your work when I made the mission available; hence not contacting you prior to posting. No disrespect was intended on my part, as I understood the material was free to use. From my own personal perspective, nothing was "ripped out of a mission" it was respectfully re-purposed.

 

Suntsag,

 

Just add alittle blurb/credit to the original voice actors (pilot search post) so they can get credit and I am fine with it. No hard feelings.

[SUNTSAG]

Suntsag,

 

Just add alittle blurb/credit to the original voice actors (pilot search post) so they can get credit and I am fine with it. No hard feelings.

 

Ranger79,

 

Thank you for this, very much appreciated...Cheers :thumbup:

[Regamuffin]

honestly this community, the guy made a mission for everyone to use. Wow bit whoop he borrowed something from something else.......

get off your armchair warrior moaning and enjoy the mission.

[feefifofum]

Your "armchair warriors" are mostly military veterans, excluding myself, and the people who also spend dozens if not hundreds of hours in the mission editor providing free content to the community. Perhaps we are allowed to have a civil discussion about the use of intellectual property, especially those from whom said property was borrowed.

 

You on the other hand, are just rude.

[Winston 60]

Your "armchair warriors" are mostly military veterans, excluding myself, and the people who also spend dozens if not hundreds of hours in the mission editor providing free content to the community. Perhaps we are allowed to have a civil discussion about the use of intellectual property, especially those from whom said property was borrowed.

 

You on the other hand, are just rude.

+1 :thumbup: