Confirmed armament?

[zerO_crash]

Maybe too early to ask, but has there been any confirmed info on what armament will be available for the AV-8B Night Attack?

[iLOVEwindmills]

All the normal weapons you'd expect, laser Mavs and sidearm as the 'new' stuff. There was a post somewhere, but basically they are just modelling everything it used in rl.

[zerO_crash]

Well splendid, good to hear. :thumbup:

 

I noticed a picture showing the (as far as I can tell) AV-8B Night Attack with a set of brimstones. Will the brimstone be included? Probably not since it`s a US AV-8B, right?

 

 

Edited May 11, 2017 by zerO_crash

[cthulhu68]

Page 48 of main thread lists available weapons. He may have been talked into adding others since...

[zerO_crash]

Much thx, will check :)

[cthulhu68]

Your pic with brimstones shows 4 hardpts per wing which means it's not the N/A version I think. That's probably Gr9.

Edited May 11, 2017 by cthulhu68

[Automan]

Your pic with brimstones shows 4 hardpts per wing which means it's not the N/A version I think. That's probably Gr9.

 

Yes, it's a British Gr9A, so this weapon doesn't fit the N/A variant

 

 

Anyway the trials of the Brimstone missiles started in 2007... too late to be employed in active service: UK retired all the Harriers on March 2011

 

 

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?114346-Harrier-GR9-with-Brimstone

No.41 (R) Squadron should have started flying with the radar version of the missile in early 2011 if the Harrier had not been chopped. 

[Tirak]

Well splendid, good to hear. :thumbup:

 

I noticed a picture showing the (as far as I can tell) AV-8B Night Attack with a set of brimstones. Will the brimstone be included? Probably not since it`s a US AV-8B, right?

 

Notice the tusks under the nose, American Harriers do not have them, this is a British one.

 

Brimstones were never cleared on active Harriers, only tested.

[Zeus67]

These are the weapons available to the AV-8B N/A:

AIM-9M

MK-81

MK-82 LD

MK-82 Snakeye

MK-82 AIR

MK-83 LD

MK-20 Rockeye

GBU-12

GBU-16

GBU-38 (JDAM)

BDU-33

AGM-65D Maverick (IR)

AGM-65E Maverick (Laser)

AGM-65K Maverick (CCD)

AGM-65H (Training)

AGM-122 Sidearm (Sidewinder based Anti-radiation missile. To be developed by us)

LAU-10 (FFAR x 4 HE)

LAU61C (FFAR x 19 HE)

LAU61C (FFAR x 19 WP)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Practice)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 HE)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 WP)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Parachute illumination)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Practice smoke)

FFR = Free Flying Rocket

HE = High Explosive

WP = White Phosphorous

 

 

We are considering the following:

APKWS (Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System): basically a laser guided Hydra rocket. I cannot find a US military designation for it yet.

 

ALQ-231 Intrepid Tiger II Electronic Warfare pod.

 

This one is fairly new since it seems it has been used by the USMC since 2012.

 

From what I have read it does more than just jamming enemy radars. It can actually jam radio communications, including cellphones. It has been used in Afghanistan and Iraq to jam radio detonators frequencies. It does not need a systems officer on board the aircraft, since it can be remotely controlled from the ground.

 

From this 2012 article:

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/86489/yuma-hosts-first-flight-new-electronic-warfare-system#.U3fPSPldXNk

 

The pod will provide AV-8B Harriers with an electronic attack capability, expanding their utility on the modern battlefield and paving the way for the Marine Air-Ground Task Force electronic warfare concept that will replace the Prowlers.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Zeus67

[Vampyre]

The USMC uses the AGM-65G as their IIR Maverick. The D is a USAF variant.

[whaaw]

stupid question: do we get a laser pod with the harrier? i just know that he can spot lasers with its nose sensor and drop bombs on it, but im not sure if we can lasers ourself in that version

[mattebubben]

stupid question: do we get a laser pod with the harrier? i just know that he can spot lasers with its nose sensor and drop bombs on it, but im not sure if we can lasers ourself in that version

 

The AV-8B NA can carry a Targeting pod for Lasing etc.

(IIRC its the Litening TGP just like the A-10C has)

 

Note the TGP on the centerline on the picture posted on the last page.

So it will be able to find and laze targets in a similar way to the A-10C (when TGP is carried).

Edited May 12, 2017 by mattebubben

[whaaw]

The AV-8B NA can carry a Targeting pod for Lasing etc.

(IIRC its the Litening TGP just like the A-10C has)

 

Note the TGP on the centerline on the picture posted on the last page.

So it will be able to find and laze targets in a similar way to the A-10C (when TGP is carried).

 

nice thanks

[ESAc_matador]

These are the weapons available to the AV-8B N/A:

AIM-9M

MK-81

MK-82 LD

MK-82 Snakeye

MK-82 AIR

MK-83 LD

MK-20 Rockeye

GBU-12

GBU-16

GBU-38 (JDAM)

BDU-33

AGM-65D Maverick (IR)

AGM-65E Maverick (Laser)

AGM-65K Maverick (CCD)

AGM-65H (Training)

AGM-122 Sidearm (Sidewinder based Anti-radiation missile. To be developed by us)

LAU-10 (FFAR x 4 HE)

LAU61C (FFAR x 19 HE)

LAU61C (FFAR x 19 WP)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Practice)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 HE)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 WP)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Parachute illumination)

LAU68D (FFAR x 7 Practice smoke)

FFR = Free Flying Rocket

HE = High Explosive

WP = White Phosphorous

 

 

We are considering the following:

APKWS (Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System): basically a laser guided Hydra rocket. I cannot find a US military designation for it yet.

 

ALQ-231 Intrepid Tiger II Electronic Warfare pod.

 

This one is fairly new since it seems it has been used by the USMC since 2012.

 

From what I have read it does more than just jamming enemy radars. It can actually jam radio communications, including cellphones. It has been used in Afghanistan and Iraq to jam radio detonators frequencies. It does not need a systems officer on board the aircraft, since it can be remotely controlled from the ground.

 

From this 2012 article:

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/86489/yuma-hosts-first-flight-new-electronic-warfare-system#.U3fPSPldXNk

 

Can you explain a little further about the intrepid Tiger II? Will the pod be for self defence or will you able to cover other aircrafts.

 

I am doing a script for Jamming Radar with few factors taken into account to "cover" other aircrafts.... Still in progress...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=179499

[Subferro]

Looking at that picture, is the Harrier still able to V/STOL with a centerline pod? Maybe the perspective is throwing me off but it looks like that pod would impact the front cross-dam

[Zeus67]

Looking at that picture, is the Harrier still able to V/STOL with a centerline pod? Maybe the perspective is throwing me off but it looks like that pod would impact the front cross-dam

 

The AV-8B can do STOL even with heavy loads. It cannot do VTOL if the gross weight is over 19,000 pounds, much less hover.

 

The centerline pylon does not affect the VTOL characteristics of the aircraft as long as either the strakes or the gunpod are present.

[Zeus67]

Can you explain a little further about the intrepid Tiger II? Will the pod be for self defence or will you able to cover other aircrafts.

 

I am doing a script for Jamming Radar with few factors taken into account to "cover" other aircrafts.... Still in progress...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=179499

 

The article says that the USMC wants to get rid of the need for Growlers with the use of this pod. Since this pod is used to help ground troops then it is safe to assume that it can be used to cover other aircraft as well.

 

The only question is the coverage radius. Unfortunately, you cannot discern device power based on size since current devices tend to be rather small yet powerful. Of course there is a penalty to be paid in high operational temps but I think that cooling is not that hard to achieve in a moving aircraft.

[Tirak]

Any chance for the GBU-54? It's the LJDAM.

 

By the way, APKWS designation is WGU-59/B.

[Majinbot]

And GBU-103/105?

[ZHeN]

seriously an APKWS ??

[ESAc_matador]

The article says that the USMC wants to get rid of the need for Growlers with the use of this pod. Since this pod is used to help ground troops then it is safe to assume that it can be used to cover other aircraft as well.

 

The only question is the coverage radius. Unfortunately, you cannot discern device power based on size since current devices tend to be rather small yet powerful. Of course there is a penalty to be paid in high operational temps but I think that cooling is not that hard to achieve in a moving aircraft.

 

This question will follow us forever!! There are some studies over there... We can only make assumptions Indeed

[Automan]

 

By the way, APKWS designation is WGU-59/B.

 

WGU-59/B is the designation for the guidance system of the rocket.

 

Actually I don't know if designation for this rocket is still provisional, since official USMC documents call it AGR-19A, while USAF call it AGR-20A...

 

 

USMC - 2017 Marine Aviation Plan: https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=799984

 

USAF - AFPEO Weapons: http://www.ndiagulfcoast.com/events/archive/42ndSymposium/AFPEOMorris.pdf

[Zeus67]

WGU-59/B is the designation for the guidance system of the rocket.

 

Actually I don't know if designation for this rocket is still provisional, since official USMC documents call it AGR-19A, while USAF call it AGR-20A...

 

 

USMC - 2017 Marine Aviation Plan: https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=799984

 

USAF - AFPEO Weapons: http://www.ndiagulfcoast.com/events/archive/42ndSymposium/AFPEOMorris.pdf

 

Oh yeah, the wonderful world of intraservice rivalry, why use a single unified designation when two or three for the same weapon will do the trick.

[Vampyre]

Oh yeah, the wonderful world of intraservice rivalry, why use a single unified designation when two or three for the same weapon will do the trick.

 

The AGR-19A is primarily designed for use on helicopters. AGR-20A is for fixed wing fast jets. AGR-20A includes a CAD to force the guidance fins open, a modified guidance section and is designed for operations in freezing temperatures and turbulance of high altitude and high speed flight.

[GGTharos]

Since this pod is used to help ground troops then it is safe to assume that it can be used to cover other aircraft as well.

 

If you mean against aircraft radios, the assumption is safe. Against radars, it is not. This pod is a communications jamming device and there's no indication that it is used against radars.

 

"The Intrepid Tiger II pod works by actively monitoring for enemy communications at certain bandwidths and then selectively jams frequencies that are being used by the bad guys once they start talking. This capability allows for a secondary communications intelligence ability, so the pod can be used to actually eavesdrop on the enemy's chatter as well as disrupting it. The pod can also actively jam known bandwidths that are commonly used to initiate IEDs, such as those used by cellular phones or garage door openers."