RvETito Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 What i'm looking for Lomac is to have a good ONLINE experience of flight and combat not only shooting someone at 150 km away. You sounds like you've never flown online on LO. Multiplayer is a blast, at least for formations and guns only dogfight because this is what I do online all the time. No other sim gets even close to LO in those areas. i wish they could spend more time into the physics and less time on bullets ricochets. What do you think a ricochet is? Isn't it a pure physics? What I see in the movies so far is very promising especialy when it comes to physics. Did you see the movie that the wind moves the blades of an unoperational Ka-50? PS:If someone downloaded my config for lomac they would have some gain on fps with out loosing teh beauty of the image ;) Where is that download? "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
theGozr Posted December 21, 2006 Author Posted December 21, 2006 http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?t=1778 here Well trust me i fly online and quite dedicated for online. What i say is that i rather have a physic apply to your plane than a complex physic to a bullet.. i like it too make no mistake. Like you said for the Ka-50 but what about the rest of the jets ( to me i do not care that much for a copter, got lomac for jets ), i want my Mig 29 feel the air friction at list like we have in the offline . The Su25T ofcourse come into mind but comon.... a fighter jet please Fly it like you stole it..
Guest IguanaKing Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I understand what you're saying about off-line and on-line differences, Gozr, I agree. I'd also like to see the possibility for mission planning in the on-line environment. That, also, would make it RAWK! :punk: The main reason I stay away from on-line play is because there is no mission planning available, and most servers don't even tell me what I'm supposed to hit and why. I'm a ground-pounder, so I can't just fly my waypoints toward the enemy and wait until I see something on my radar and engage it. I have to know roughly where my targets are, why I am killing them, and the location of friendly forces that might be in the area...otherwise its just a case of blind-firing AGM-65s toward targets that may or may not be friendly. Its nothing but a big festival of possible fratricide and evading sneaky MiG pilots who use external views to find me (on servers where externals are enabled). Heh...none of them have been successful yet though. I guess they thought I was just going to sit there and let them kill me. :lol: One question though, aren't atmospheric conditions configurable on-line? I think they might be, but just aren't implemented on most LOMAC servers.
RvETito Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Am I missing something? Because I don't see any difference of my online and offline FM. As for weather conditions- I can't say for turbulence but I've flown online with some strong crosswind, and everything was just like it is offline. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
GGTharos Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Atmospheric conditions don't work well because you can't do the the same way for both SFM and AFM in MP (especially turbulence) - the position prediction code works well for the AFM, not SFM anymore, from what I've observed. And Gozr, I don't think turbulence is anyone's priority but yours, if you know what I mean - in other words, what I am trying to say is that there are more important things to fix right now, but in principle I agree with you that the feeling of flight should be simulated as well as possible - and such things have been discussed privately, but again, turbulence, at this time, is not a priority. Perhaps - I hope - All the jets will one day get AFM and then you will have turbulence. Perhaps we can even simulate much more complex weather than there is now :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Sleek Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I havn't been up in the air for a while now..i can't pull myself away from ArmA at the moment! The AFM will come for most jet's I'm sure..but we just got to wait i guess. Be Good..Be Strong..:drink: ;)
theGozr Posted December 21, 2006 Author Posted December 21, 2006 Tharos it should be reallyteh most priority, the first thing you notice when you flight the Mig15 for example or any other jet or crafts it's how the weather is and condition then you look at the ground and then maybe with gun you think about what you will do if you have guns or missiles and tactics... The SIM pilot should know how such things is important and not making believe that turbulences is just not important... Every pilots are becoming weather man experts it's seems that you forgot this.. Right now it's like flying on perfect road witch do not exist . Fly it like you stole it..
theGozr Posted December 21, 2006 Author Posted December 21, 2006 It is good also to lets people know what real pilots that fly sim's think or feel about certain simulators.. because after all there is something called "simulator" in the rank of those game. it is to you guys to decide if you want to keep it as a "game" or to enter in the simulator league. Fly it like you stole it..
Guest IguanaKing Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Gozr, the problem is that the various aircraft flight models in FC, at the moment, don't react equally to atmospheric conditions. That seems like a pretty good reason to me for why they don't allow weather changes in an on-line game. What translates into a small series of bumps for a low-flying A-10, may swat an AFMd Su-25T out of the sky. That wouldn't be fair, unless the A-10 was also made to react in a realistic manner to the same conditions. ;)
Cosmonaut Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I understand what you're saying about off-line and on-line differences, Gozr, I agree. I'd also like to see the possibility for mission planning in the on-line environment. That, also, would make it RAWK! :punk: The main reason I stay away from on-line play is because there is no mission planning available, and most servers don't even tell me what I'm supposed to hit and why. I'm a ground-pounder, so I can't just fly my waypoints toward the enemy and wait until I see something on my radar and engage it. I have to know roughly where my targets are, why I am killing them, and the location of friendly forces that might be in the area...otherwise its just a case of blind-firing AGM-65s toward targets that may or may not be friendly. Its nothing but a big festival of possible fratricide and evading sneaky MiG pilots who use external views to find me (on servers where externals are enabled). Heh...none of them have been successful yet though. I guess they thought I was just going to sit there and let them kill me. :lol: One question though, aren't atmospheric conditions configurable on-line? I think they might be, but just aren't implemented on most LOMAC servers. I totally agree with you on that . Which is one of the reasons why I have to say that IL2 beats Lomac online. With Il2 you have actual missions with easily defined targets for ground and air units and a simple attack and defend mentality that the online capabilities of Il2 allow. With lomac you can't have the server switch to the next map when one side has won and you don't know how well your side is doing where as in Il2 you get updates as you play like Blue team: has 12 pilots and 5 aircraft left etc. Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
theGozr Posted December 21, 2006 Author Posted December 21, 2006 If only they could release a dedicated server file... an other mistake btw.. Fly it like you stole it..
VMFA-Blaze Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Well Lockon is not getting popular at the moment!! Like i said before, ED mist the train by not listening some advices from members and They realy have to do some work into the online problems example the none existing turbulences ONLINE and more... the 6 DOF on FSX and addons weather, clouds, real planes routes etc..... It's just fantastic ... If only Lockon would have little bit of that... Well what is your opinion ? Alas I didn't touch Lockon/FC since FSX just because of turbulences that make you feel flying.. Many are looking for realism as well . I need to come back into Lockon but those Online no turbulences just drive me nuts.. Gozr.. It will never happen, Lock On is still the best even though its 2 years old... And besides you were never was avid Fan of this sim were you?? Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
theGozr Posted December 22, 2006 Author Posted December 22, 2006 Blaze You jocking right ? I just clearly say what i have in my mind about it. and thrue. It's painful to hear it but real. Don't be blinded we have to deal with it. that all. Fly it like you stole it..
SuperKungFu Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Blaze You jocking right ? definition of jocking: to engage in flirtatious behavior with another; to crush on someone; to hit on someone To Hit up on someone(usually gurlz) AKA Get a lot of girls lol wow blaze, looks like you get a lot of girls. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vati Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 By reading about your priorities theGozr, I think Condor is perfect for you :) http://www.condorsoaring.com
britgliderpilot Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 By reading about your priorities theGozr, I think Condor is perfect for you :) This thread finally gets interesting!! Condor's really rather good for this sort of thing, go have a look. Are you seriously suggesting that turbulence modelling is the be-all, end-all, most important priority of a combat flight simulator? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Ross-impress Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Only LOMAC can kill LOMAC. Agree !!! Grtz....Ross.... Configuration: Windows 11 Home/ Intel Core i9-12900F/ RTX 3080 10 GB/ 64GB DDR4-3200/ 2 TB m.2 NVMe/ HP Reverb G2/V2/ Thrustmaster Cougar Hotas/ INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT: @ross_impress • Instagram-foto's en -video's (everything about the real flying world, drone and DCS)
hitman Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Only LOMAC can kill LOMAC. Thats like saying Chuck Norris kicks himself in the face to shave because only Chuck Norris can cut Chuck Norris. Id hate to say that a weak computer would kill LOMAC too.
Cosmonaut Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Only LOMAC can kill LOMAC. Thats like saying Chuck Norris kicks himself in the face to shave because only Chuck Norris can cut Chuck Norris. Id hate to say that a weak computer would kill LOMAC too. I like the line best in Platoon, "only Barnes can Kill Barnes" Although Apocalypse Now is still the best Vietnam film ever made .. hell its the best modern war film ever made. :) .. Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
theGozr Posted December 22, 2006 Author Posted December 22, 2006 It's a difference between a game and a simulator. as simple as this. You must simulate the real world effects first then you can apply all this to a plane. this is how things work if not it's basicly a quake 3/4 in the air no a single difference. SO i would say yes this is the first preorities..the world where objects evolves. You simmers want the real feeling of flights ?...so start by recognizing that some things are missing and need to be fix first but for now it's quakers with joysticks.. Prouve me wrong. Fly it like you stole it..
Shaman Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Although Apocalypse Now is still the best Vietnam film ever made .. OT, but I agree completely. It's one of my top 10 ever made movies list. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Shaman Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Prouve me wrong. The most important thing is the flight model, the rest are cosmetics. I totally agree that if we deal with atmospheric flights weather is the 2nd most important part of it. Though you need to start with flight model first. And here's the deal: Flight model in FS2004 and FSX is not even half as good as Lock On's. I'm not even comparing Microsoft's flight model to Eagle Dynamics' AFM. I'm only comparing scripted flight models here (aka SFM). 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
theGozr Posted December 22, 2006 Author Posted December 22, 2006 Wrong very wrong .. to compare with with FSX, now try to make very different stalls with Lockon they are all basicly the same from the same aircraft etc... but this is with many simulator/games. Anyway it's not a matter of comparing who to who and what to what. the world physics is very important period . The FM goes with the world physics, same FM will react differently in different weather / air mass heat cold etc.. It is important for ED to work on it at list to improve it some how.. they work on tanks and bullets when they should work with the FM so they are basicly telling you all that you know nothing about aircrafts.. so they should see at list that members care about the FM of the planes .... I love Lockon on so I CARE then i say what i think of it because I care... you want better do the same.. expect no less. 1 Fly it like you stole it..
hitman Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 I like the line best in Platoon, "only Barnes can Kill Barnes" Although Apocalypse Now is still the best Vietnam film ever made .. hell its the best modern war film ever made. :) .. I beg to differ. The best Vietnam movie ever made bar-none is Hamburger Hill. I havent seen it in ages and I forgot most of the highlights, but yeah.
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