RvETito Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 What IS out there is largely pilots looking to stroke their egos, which is plain not cool. Unfortunately, from my experience, I can say that the ego has become a part of the pilot's job. And I, as a maintenance engineer, have had many problems in my job because of it. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Pilotasso Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 This another photo from the HUD of IAF Su-30Mki vs F-16. Lets not forget that the SU-30MKI is rated as a plane to beat every others by the indian airforce, and that the falcon is a light weight multi role fighter. Also take in account that between both aircraft the F-16 is the only one that has shown probably the best missiles, also take in account that this is ONE photo in a scripted exercise. Im sure the falcon had its share of kills. Too bad they didnt show those, otherwise they would serve to shaken up the faith on the MKI's as well. ;) .
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 I am sure that in 100 exercises involving five Su-30MKI against one F-16, the results would be 100 kills for Sukhoi and zero (0) for F-16. That would prove the quality of the Indian air force pilots and Su-30MKI huge technological advantage over F-16. And, of course, advanced tactics of Indian air force. :D :D :D Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
wasserfall Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 Just a question, who have actualy seen the SU30MKI and Mig 29OVT manouvering in real live? If so, you would know what i ment in my previous post (and i'm not taking about the cobra). But i understand that everybody here has it's own favorite plane. Only one thing if a F22 would be able to point it's nose for a moment on the sitting duck (read SU30mki) than he made a cobra:) Intel Core i5-9600K, Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO, 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 WINDFORCE 8G
RvETito Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 I am sure that in 100 exercises involving five Su-30MKI against one F-16, the results would be 100 kills for Sukhoi and zero (0) for F-16. That would prove the quality of the Indian air force pilots and Su-30MKI huge technological advantage over F-16. And, of course, advanced tactics of Indian air force. :D :D :D Well, I wouldn't be so sure... Despite the F-16 is a 30-years old conception it has proven not once than it's very capable aircraft in our days. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
GGTharos Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 108:0 ... How the exercise was run ??? Yes...we need more information. One F-22 do not have 108 Air to Air misiles ;) They need to land , rearm and take off 10 times ??? or we need 10 F-22 that any missiles do not fail. :) You are right, we do need more details :) As for how exercises happen: The planes fly, get 'shot down', reset, and try again as many times as they have fuel for. It's not that one F-22 can take out 108 planes in one sortie, we /all/ know that isn't possible. The point is that it had 108 victories and no losses :) The AWACS for Me is not to dificuld to evade and kill. In Kosovo some of the Mig-29A was not detected in time by the NATO AWACS. I'm not sure what you mean by this. it is possible to notch AWACS, or even have a plane with RCS small enough to not be noticed at some distance but if you fly towards it it -will- see you :) Equal in Iraq 1996 went the AWACS do not detect 5 x Mig-25. Other planes in 1991 fly to Iran alone. :) Luis "LaRata" Barreto AWACS isn't magical - but -aproaching- AWACS and not being seen is very unlikely I think :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
p_o_d_2_2 Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 You are right, we do need more details :) As for how exercises happen: The planes fly, get 'shot down', reset, and try again as many times as they have fuel for. oh snap! thats how they do it:D
LaRata Posted December 26, 2006 Posted December 26, 2006 Lets not forget that the SU-30MKI is rated as a plane to beat every others by the indian airforce, and that the falcon is a light weight multi role fighter. Also take in account that between both aircraft the F-16 is the only one that has shown probably the best missiles, also take in account that this is ONE photo in a scripted exercise. Im sure the falcon had its share of kills. Too bad they didnt show those, otherwise they would serve to shaken up the faith on the MKI's as well. ;) The firts mission in Cope India was 1 F-16 vs 1 Su-30MKI only this two planes ala TOP GUN. They want to test this planes in close combat. The Su-30MKI, do not use their Radar in all the exerside. The IAF do not want the US record the Radar of the Su-30MKI. So avanced missiles or not is no matter in this Cope India 06. The rest of the exercise the F-16 were mix with other planes, like Mig-29, Mirage 2000, Su-30. The IAF whant to see how to operate using AWACS. IAF is about to get some US AWACS planes. Cope India 06 was Not be US vs India Exercise. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/CopeIndia/CopeIndia06-03.html Luis "LaRata" Barreto
LaRata Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 I am sure that in 100 exercises involving five Su-30MKI against one F-16, the results would be 100 kills for Sukhoi and zero (0) for F-16. That would prove the quality of the Indian air force pilots and Su-30MKI huge technological advantage over F-16. And, of course, advanced tactics of Indian air force. :D :D :D The firts mission in Cope India was 1 F-16 vs 1 Su-30MKI only this two planes ala TOP GUN. They want to test this planes in close combat. The rest of the exercise the F-16 were mix with other planes, like Mig-29, Mirage 2000, Su-30. The IAF whant to see how to operate using AWACS. IAF is about to get some US AWACS planes. Cope India 06 was Not be US vs India Exercise. Luis "LaRata" Barreto
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