Landing the Hip

[msalama]

Well at least the turbine RPM will drop if you overtorque the bugger, call that upsetting or not ;)

[Viktor_UHPK]

@104th_Money Yes, you can do that kind of stuff with the Mi-8. Low fuel, no cargo, no weapons, no extra crew. And you can fly a B787 like a fighter jet

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[molevitch]

My first attempt at making a DCS video, and its Landing the Mi-8....

 

 

Hope you like it!

[rge75]

Looks like I also have to fly the Hip in the Normandy once. I flew the Huey there a couple of times but I never noticed that you can land inside the church. Or maybe I'll do it with the Huey to have a comparison again ;-)

[rge75]

...as promised. IMO the Huey is simply a lot more nervous than the Mi-8 and it's more difficult to have a "clean" hover As you may notice in the video, I'm moving forward/backward during the final descent because my inputs weren't smooth enough. This won't happen in the Hip IMO because she's more sluggish.

 

 

Personally, I think it's more save to land the Hip for that reason (except that you need to care a lot more to avoid the vortex), but with the Huey, you can simply land and start quicker. At least it feels so.

 

 

[molevitch]

...as promised. IMO the Huey is simply a lot more nervous than the Mi-8 and it's more difficult to have a "clean" hover As you may notice in the video, I'm moving forward/backward during the final descent because my inputs weren't smooth enough. This won't happen in the Hip IMO because she's more sluggish.

 

 

Personally, I think it's more save to land the Hip for that reason (except that you need to care a lot more to avoid the vortex), but with the Huey, you can simply land and start quicker. At least it feels so.

 

 

 

Very good! What controls are you using? While I used to find the Huey a bit more skittish than the Hip, I now find it if anything smoother....

 

Still find the Gazelle a pain though!

[rge75]

Thanks. 10 days ago I switched to the Pro Flight Trainer Puma. It took me 2 days to get used to it. However, now I wouldn't like to switch back to my previous Hotas controls.

 

ATM, I simply prefer the Hip over the Huey. Hopefully the Hind will feel similiar.

 

Even though I also own the Gazelle, I did not yet try it out with the new controls. Well, might be a good idea for the next video, haha.

 

Edit: Just had a look at your controls. Very cool!

Edited September 20, 2017 by rge75

[molevitch]

Thanks. 10 days ago I switched to the Pro Flight Trainer Puma. It took me 2 days to get used to it. However, now I wouldn't like to switch back to my previous Hotas controls.

 

ATM, I simply prefer the Hip over the Huey. Hopefully the Hind will feel similiar.

 

Even though I also own the Gazelle, I did not yet try it out with the new controls. Well, might be a good idea for the next video, haha.

 

Edit: Just had a look at your controls. Very cool!

 

Thank you too. The Puma looks very cool too. I adore the Hip. While she is a bit like flying a truck, (well, I am sure that was the design brief...), I find I can still chuck her around in tight corners, fly like the clappers, and gently bring her into land like a dandelion seed. And then go into VRS when you least expect it! The most useful skill is learning how to get out of VRS, or how to NOT get there in the first place!

 

Hey, why not come and fly with us over at Black Shark Den? We are building up a good team of Mi-8 pilots now.

 

And very much looking forward to the Mi-24! :thumbup:

Edited September 21, 2017 by molevitch

[rge75]

The comparison with the truck fits ;-) The Huey is more a muscle car (or maybe a Ford Mustang) and the Gazelle probably a hypercar with too many hp and too few downforce....

 

About recovering VRS... that works a lot better with the new controls. However, it also worked with my old controls (have a look at 19:15 if you didn't see it yet - I once already posted it on another subforum here though):

 

It's simply of importance that you have enough altitude to get out of VRS.

 

Anyway, it's for sure a good example how to NOT land the Hip.

 

Off-topic:

I'll check out the Black Shark Den about flying times, so maybe I'll send you a pm. Actually I'm flying Tuesday evening CET and I have good pings there because the server is also in Switzerland (or Germany).

 

Can't wait to start a thread "Landing the Mi-24" ;-)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

...or how to NOT get there in the first place!

 

 

VRS needs 3 things: low forward airspeed (below ETL speed), rate of decent and power applied. These things only really tend to come together when recovering at the end of a steep approach. The best way to avoid VRS is to make shallow approaches (like you would in a fixed wing). Aim to maintain ETL until you're within ground effect and you shouldn't encounter VRS.

 

This isn't always possible (confined space landing, platform landing etc) but hopefully the above is useful info.

 

 

edit:// oh and as someone already mentioned, land into wind wherever possible as this also helps avoid VRS.

[FragBum]

Well the Mi-8 is gaining favour I must say even if I don't understand Russian, 4hrs and 70 landings

latter, I broke one, not badly mind you. :music_whistling: ;)

 

For VSI out of ETL does less than 1 to 2 mtrs/sec fit prolly err more towards 1 Mtr/sec VSI for landing seems you really have to jump on it quick. Fair enough given the mass. :thumbup:

[rge75]

IMO you can have until 3 m/sec, not just 1-2. More than 3 m/sec is playing with the fire though.

[FragBum]

Okay I'll work up to that, early days. :D

[rge75]

Don't blame me if you crash ;-)

 

Just make sure you watch the upper VSI once you're in hover. It shall be more repsonsive than the one below.

[molevitch]

Don't blame me if you crash ;-)

 

Just make sure you watch the upper VSI once you're in hover. It shall be more repsonsive than the one below.

 

Yep, thats the one to use for landings.

[FragBum]

Don't blame me if you crash ;-)

 

Thanks for the assist but I'm pretty good at crashing on my own. :lol: :D

[rge75]

No problem, you're welcome. I'd say there are quite some pilots here who have those skills to crash on their own.

 

Serious question though - is it possible to land on a moving train? I tried it yesterday with the Mi-8 but the wheel stand seems too wide. Thus, I tried the Huey. I managed several times to land "properly" IMO but it seems like the Huey doesn't "move along with the running train". So the following waggon will crash into the chopper.

 

However, I'm not 100% sure - maybe I simply didn't land "good" enough or there are other problems. From what I heard, a helicopter in DCS can also fall of a moving ship though. So with that said, I think it's not possible to land on a moving train with 1.5.6.

 

I once managed to "stay" on the waggon though when the Huey wasn't placed "well" on the waggon. So one skid was on the waggon and one was in the air which means the body of the helicopter was on the waggon. If interested, I could post a video or a screenshot.

[lmp]

Landing on moving objects is not working correctly in DCS. Maybe the release of PFM for the Su-33 will change that - since the problem is most evident when you try to land a PFM aircraft on a moving carrier - but that's just speculation on my part, nobody promised anything AFAIK.

[rge75]

Thanks for the info. Too bad it's not working atm.

 

...it for sure has to be fixed with the relese of the F-14 ;-) Or with the Su-33 as you said.

[FragBum]

This might make sense here.

 

[rge75]

How do you mean? Looks like an interesting failure though.

 

 

Anyway, I just decided to upload my landing attempts on a train with Huey and Hip:

 

 

Note: those are ATTEMPTS ;-)

[lmp]

In the Open Beta you can now land on moving ships at least :). I just landed my Hip first on the Kuznetsov and then on an OHP Frigate, both moving at 20km/h. No more sliding off the deck.

[rge75]

Good to know. Now they only need to fix sling load and I can finally move up to 1.5.7 again.

[FragBum]

I tend to slide off moving objects when ever I attempt landing on them. :huh:

 

Yes interesting failure to negotiate flying under a bridge,..:music_whistling:

[FragBum]

My the Mi-8 is more fun than I thought it would be. :thumbup:

 

Criticisms.

 

Pogo stick landing gear takes a bit to come to terms with but I'm learning. :cry:

 

Seems critical components of generators and fuel pumps are made of egg shells. :D