Su-30 cockpit shots

[Poopskadoop]

The US isn't going to sell F-22's. You can be sure of that.

 

I thought Japan was a potential customer in the near future?

[GGTharos]

Nope. Japan just has a USAF F-22 squad sitting there, ready to give someone a piece of their mind if need be.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

… the stealth is firing by the time it is detected, and well before it can be tracked and attacked.

What does stealth use for target detection and missile firing solution/guidance?

[GGTharos]

What does stealth use for target detection and missile firing solution/guidance?

 

Anything and everything available on the platform, but if avialable, anything and everything off board. I'm not getting into this with you. It matters very little wether your RWR sings or not - simple, VERY simple fact, YOU do not get to shoot back. You dodge the first shot, but you're defensive - and I do not mean like in lock-on, where you can go ahead, dodge head-on, and keep closing. I mean your nose is NOT on the bandit. And your RWR is still singing ... there's another missile inbound, this one in the Rtr.

 

So quit making these inane suggestions that having to use radar to attack the target will make a huge difference. That was already known when those aircraft were designed and built.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I'm not getting into this with you.

Why not? Case closed. Too easy.

[Anytime]

The same way a 120 gets launched from a humvee.

 

Why not? Case closed. Too easy.

[Guest IguanaKing]

What does stealth use for target detection and missile firing solution/guidance?

 

Datalink. Sensor information can be passed to LO aircraft from other aircraft. LPI radar also comes into play if it is the launching aircraft radiating.

[GGTharos]

Why not? Case closed. Too easy.

 

Too easy to figure out where you're leading? Yes, it is too easy. Case closed, yes - in the Hajduk is trying to pick a fight he can't win again department :) :)

[pho3nix]

I should clarify what i said, the 24 Super Hornets are basicly confirmed but the F-22's are still on the discussion table.

 

Yes I acknoledge that the F-22 is not for export but that is only for now, we are confident that if a formal offer is made that an arangement can be organised considering Australias close ties to the US.

 

But like GG said they are at this present moment in time, including the fact that there have been no official offers, the F-22 is not for export.

[Force_Feedback]

F-22 made out of wood, with radar reflectors? Nah, I guess Saudi Arabia will get the newest tech, so they can both have the newest US-made tech and financially support terrorism, which in turn gives the US a reason to 'fight global terror'. Yaay, the circle is complete, what a simple world we live in, eh? :P

 

Besides all the doomsday thinking, which is why that site was made in the first place, why would other oceanic nations want to attack Australia? What is it they will gain by wasting money on an invasion, while Australia itself always been very supportive to its neighbors (and they keep the refugees out, which is just awesome)? I know all the help that had been offered to Indonesia, and others after some natural disaster was out of fear, but seriousely, what is it they fear?

BTW, I have an aunt in Melbourne :P

[Camoman]

24 Hornets to replace 71 Varks?

 

Were did this come from?:

 

24 Super Hornets to replace the 28 varks we currently have in service.

 

We do have 70 hornets at the moment. So maybe thats wot u were thinkin of. But the interim Super Hornet aint replacing them.

[Camoman]

What is it they will gain by wasting money on an invasion, while Australia itself always been very supportive to its neighbors (and they keep the refugees out, which is just awesome)? I know all the help that had been offered to Indonesia, and others after some natural disaster was out of fear, but seriousely, what is it they fear?

BTW, I have an aunt in Melbourne :P

 

I wouldn't say we fear anything as such but it is smart to retain a decent standalone defensive capability (and not be reliant on others incase anything, god forbid, was to eventuate). Also if things remain the way they are we will still want to help out withtin the coalition against terror,etc. So we do need to retain a top notch air force with modern tech, etc.

 

So far as wasting money on an invasion. I believe that in this day and age, and with coalitions the way they are an invasion would be out of the question even if they opposing force for whatever reason was keen on it. But it would most likely be a very financially productive move. Australia is considered to have some of the largest energy reserves in the world. Uranium, coal, gas, we have bucketloads of the stuff. Everything a developing country would ever want to keep thier production centres churning. So it wouldn't be a waste of money if it could be pulled off succesfully, but in this day and age i dont see it as a very likely event.

 

In the end I think the basis of our governments decision is on that of interoperability with coalition forces. And if we are all flying the same jets it becomes super easy.

[pho3nix]

I concur with Camoman.

 

Its always better to be prepared than be left wanting.

 

The F-111 acted as a political deterent, as will the F-22 if acquired

[Guest IguanaKing]

Were did this come from?:

 

24 Super Hornets to replace the 28 varks we currently have in service.

 

We do have 70 hornets at the moment. So maybe thats wot u were thinkin of. But the interim Super Hornet aint replacing them.

 

Heh...I guess sometimes I need to slow down when I'm reading. Thanks Camoman! :D

[tflash]

In my view, given the Super Hornet's track record (accumulated in a very short timespan indeed), it certainly is a valid proposition, even for the somewhat specific Australian situation. We're not talking about demonstrator aircraft but of war machines that have been used in anger from day one, and this day after day since they went on first cruise.

 

Much can be said about Hornet/Super Hornet, but not that they are not providing sterling service. Normally, their problem is the price, but in this case they are not compared to F-16 hordes but to Strike Eagle, which is even more expensive. More than a stop-gap in my mind, but something very credible.

[Anytime]

http://www.air-attack.com/news/news_article/2345/US-rules-out-F-22-Sale-to-Australia.html

 

I should clarify what i said, the 24 Super Hornets are basicly confirmed but the F-22's are still on the discussion table.

 

Yes I acknoledge that the F-22 is not for export but that is only for now, we are confident that if a formal offer is made that an arangement can be organised considering Australias close ties to the US.

 

But like GG said they are at this present moment in time, including the fact that there have been no official offers, the F-22 is not for export.

[pho3nix]

Good find Anytime, there we go, no F-22's for us to fly under the southern cross :(

[Camoman]

I subscribe to the mailing list,

 

this came the other day..

 

"

Minister for Defence Media Mail List

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Wednesday, 14 February, 2007 006/2007

 

FITZGIBBON’S FAILURE TO GRASP THE FACTS

 

There is no gap in Australia’s air combat capability and no gap will be allowed

to develop.

 

The Government is continuing to explore options to manage the transition to

Australia’s planned acquisition of the Joint Strike Fighter.

 

Contrary to Mr Fitzgibbon’s claim, the Government has not asked the United

States for access to the F-22 Raptor.

 

The F-22 is not currently available for Foreign Military Sales to any country

outside the United States.

 

Mr Fitzgibbon fails to understand that the F-22 is not the most suitable

aircraft for Australia’s needs.

 

The F-22 is a primarily a single role air-to-air combat aircraft.

 

It has limited strike capability.

 

The budget would not acquire enough F-22’s to sustain concurrent tasking.

 

It does not carry the variety of weapons we need for strike operations.

 

It loses its stealth benefits when carrying external weapons.

 

It loses range when carrying external weapons.

 

It has no maritime strike capability at present.

 

The Government continues to work on options to ensure Australia maintains

regional air superiority throughout the air combat transition.

 

The Government is currently considering the acquisition of one squadron of F/A

18 Block II Super Hornets as a complementary transition through to the JSF. No

decision has yet been made.

 

If Joel Fitzgibbon understood the needs of Australia’s air combat capability,

he’d realize the JSF is the correct aircraft for our future needs.

 

Mr Fitzgibbon would benefit from a briefing on Australia’s air combat capability

from senior Defence officials.

 

 

 

Media contacts

Nigel Blunden

(Dr Nelson)

02 6277 7800

0407 632 931

 

Defence Media Liaison

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0408 498 664

 

 

 

Thought it was a bit relevant to what is being discussed here.

[Anytime]

Those arguments are a bit useless no, you could almost certainly apply them all to the JSF! I vote for a few F-15Es and JSFs :) or better still wait for the next stealth bomber :thumbup: