A little May update about MiG-19P

[OverStratos]

Руль поворота у вас без триммера. Тщательней надо.

 

Nice model Araks! Is that the one that was made for War Thunder?

 

Sorry, didn´t understand well, can you try to explain better? I can get it´s something about the front gear, but then I don´t know.

 

Edit:

 

If it is rudder trimmer related, the MiG-19P do not have one, it was a MiG-19S feature and also installed on some MiG-19PMs.

Edited September 12, 2018 by OverStratos

[Araks]

Look here

[Alpenwolf]

 

if only.

 

Oh my sweet ******!!! Is that doable for our MiG-19?

[Akatsuki]

Oh my sweet ******!!! Is that doable for our MiG-19?

 

Look at the previous page: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3623835&postcount=146

[Alpenwolf]

Look at the previous page: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3623835&postcount=146

Must've overlooked it. Thanks for the reply.

[Zeus67]

The RP-5 Izumrud radar is an update of the RP-1, installed in the first serial aircraft. It has a detection range of up to 12 Km (6.5 nm) for bomber sized contact and 9 Km (4.8 nm) for a fighter sized one.

 

Interestingly enough it had two antennas: one for searching and one for tracking, making it probably the first radar to have Track-While-Scan (TWS) capability.

 

It can autolock at ranges from 2 to 4 Km (1 to 2.2 nm) and provide targeting information to the pilot with the help of the AR-18-8 gunsight.

Like all 1st generation radars, it was prone to ground cluttering, which limited its use to altitude above 2000 m (6,600 ft) above the ground. Its best operational altitudes are above 3600m (11,800 ft) AGL.

 

The search antenna can track up to 10 contacts, while the tracking one is permanently set in STT (Single Target Track).

 

 

 

 

 

 

The visible cone belongs to the tracking antenna.

[Alpenwolf]

But you can still lock up targets manually, right? Or do you just point the aircraft in the direction of the bandit and the STT does that for you?

[animaal]

This is a great thread, very interesting.

 

 

I see that planes like this are designed with night/low visibility interception of bombers in mind. So I can imagine a scenario where one side might send a flight of B52s to bomb a target, and use low visibility to make interception more difficult. In return, the other side would send up a flight of Mig-19s with radar to intercept.

 

 

How might the bombers be protected once discovered? Would they be protected by fighters that would also need to be equipped with Radar? Would bombers be sitting ducks once discovered? I could imagine a Radar-equipped Mig-19 locking and destroying an incoming bomber, but I can't imagine fighters from this age dogfighting each other at night.

[pepin1234]

How might the bombers be protected once discovered? Would they be protected by fighters that would also need to be equipped with Radar? Would bombers be sitting ducks once discovered? I could imagine a Radar-equipped Mig-19 locking and destroying an incoming bomber, but I can't imagine fighters from this age dogfighting each other at night.

 

When you ask this question, I guess you are talking about bombers and escort of the 60s/70s right?

 

The Migs will not be detected because the radars of that time was not able to detect a interception of this kind.

 

The radar of the Migs will be switch on in the last moment of the interception because they have been guided by a GCI.

 

The Migs will run away after get out of ammo. In a good organized interception that can take just seconds.

[animaal]

Thanks, I was thinking about that general time period - maybe the 50s-60s. I was wondering more about how the bombers could be protected. As you point out, the Mig-19 is relatively small and hard to detect.

 

 

 

If you're planning a mission for the bombers, what could you do to protect them from interceptors in low visibility settings? I can't think of anything that could stop the bombers from being attacked by Radar-carrying Mig-19s.

[some1]

Radar controlled guns in their tails :-)

[pepin1234]

If you're planning a mission for the bombers, what could you do to protect them from interceptors in low visibility settings? I can't think of anything that could stop the bombers from being attacked by Radar-carrying Mig-19s.

 

Very little options for this kind of interception. They will climb right below the bombers and escort and the interception is organized with several flights groups of 2 or more units every group from different incoming direction and one after other with seconds between climb.

Edited September 14, 2018 by pepin1234

[OverStratos]

Look here

 

What you´re showing are the latest production airframes which used the MiG-19PM fuselage, which as the PM, had the rudder trimmer added.

 

First and mid life production variants didn´t had the trimmer in the rudder, and happen to be the ones that I have access to. Radio, radio-altimeter, radar and other avionics updates were performed to several MiG-19P aircraft of different series.

 

[Zeus67]

Thanks, I was thinking about that general time period - maybe the 50s-60s. I was wondering more about how the bombers could be protected. As you point out, the Mig-19 is relatively small and hard to detect.

 

If you're planning a mission for the bombers, what could you do to protect them from interceptors in low visibility settings? I can't think of anything that could stop the bombers from being attacked by Radar-carrying Mig-19s.

B-36 and B-52s have endurance beyond any protective fighter cover can provide. That is why in the 1950s the USAF experimented with parasitic aircraft being carried by the bombers.

 

In reality, the only defensive measure they had was to fly higher and faster than any fighter could. That is why it was top priority for the USSR to have high altitude interceptors.

 

This is one of the reasons why the USAF aggressively probed the USSR air defenses, they were looking for holes in the radar network. Allegedly they found large holes over the Arctic circle that allowed SAC bomber to penetrate soviet airspace without being detected. The holes were not fully patched until the 1980s, but by that time the F-117 appeared and that changed the whole game.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Zeus67

[OverStratos]

If you're planning a mission for the bombers, what could you do to protect them from interceptors in low visibility settings? I can't think of anything that could stop the bombers from being attacked by Radar-carrying Mig-19s.

 

First, ECM, it was used by B-47s and 52s from the late 50s onward. It will fill the radar screen with false targets and noise and made the bomber hard to lock.

 

In the MiG-19P radar control panel there is a switch which is labeled "Jamming". It will reduce the jamming to a thin line, giving bearing to the bomber, kind of a HOJ mode.

 

Second,

 

Radar controlled guns in their tails :-)

 

They are very dangerous, it will depend on your attack profile and tactics to avoid them.

[Araks]

What you´re showing are the latest production airframes which used the MiG-19PM fuselage, which as the PM, had the rudder trimmer added.

 

First and mid life production variants didn´t had the trimmer in the rudder, and happen to be the ones that I have access to. Radio, radio-altimeter, radar and other avionics updates were performed to several MiG-19P aircraft of different series.

 

 

That's a good point. It seems You are right. Maybe I'm coming around to your way of thinking:pilotfly:

[Alpenwolf]

Any chance you guys could release the manual so we could start learning about the bird?

 

 

EDIT:

... or at least the pages containing general information/specification/history of the plane.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Alpenwolf

[Akatsuki]

I doubt it’s ready but yes that would be great. :)

[pepin1234]

Nice pic!

[Zeus67]

Found this video while searching for some MiG-19 info.

[pepin1234]

will be great the developers notice the big light of the side cannons when fire (00:39min). I hope they can simulate this awesome effect, the cockpit must be lighted as hell :pilotfly:

 

[Stratos]

Will we get "exotic skins" like this Egyptian one?

 

 

Or the Pakistani beautiful scheme on their F-6's...

 

[pepin1234]

just in case...

 

this is the camera fairing of Mig-17

 

 

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/KOMZ_S-13

[Zeus67]

RP-5 Izumrud radar test.

 

[Zeus67]

Search and Tracking antennas are both working. The tracking antenna has locked onto the bomber and feeding range info to the gunsight.