So when is the new graphics engine getting its battle spirit back?

[Charlie-1]

Despite the hundreds, if not thousands of hours of community feedback on here regarding graphics performance issues since the introduction of DS, there's been several patches now and from what I can tell nothing to address any of the main performance issues raised and not least any comment from the team or hope of it returning to its former glory.

 

Is this as good as it gets for the beta?

[Drexx]

Try my server out, its running SUPER smooth right now, https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=208608

[msalama]

Well it seems that the second to last patch improved performance greatly. V2.5x has always run pretty well for me, but this particular patch made it even better by eliminating all stutters and micro-freezes I still sometimes had. Running at 2xMSAA + NVI SSAA now and it's all smooth!

 

So contrary to your claim, the patches actually do seem to address performance issues among other things.

[Charlie-1]

Well it seems that the second to last patch improved performance greatly. V2.5x has always run pretty well for me, but this particular patch made it even better by eliminating all stutters and micro-freezes I still sometimes had. Running at 2xMSAA + NVI SSAA now and it's all smooth!

 

So contrary to your claim, the patches actually do seem to address performance issues among other things.

 

Considering 2.52 runs about half the speed that 2.5 did for me (with DS off), I would say there's a long way to go to exceed, if not just match how it performed before. 1.58 was even better than that.

[Raven_Morpheus]

Is this as good as it gets for the beta?

 

Probably.

 

It would be nice if the game can be optimised for people on lower end systems so that they can run the game at framerates similar to v1.5.8 with similar graphical quality as v1.5.8 - I was running v.1.5.8 and flying the Huey Stray Eagle mission, one of a couple of missions I use for making sure things are working OK, getting about 100fps, certainly a solid 60fps on average, in higher settings with equal or better graphical quality (apart from the density of trees) than in 2.5.0!!.

 

However I don't think that ED have any intention of making that the case - they are only interested in those who have top end hardware. If that's not the case I'm not seeing any indication of it.

 

Rather silly really from a business point of view imho - why limit your game to a minority of users?

Edited June 10, 2018 by Raven_Morpheus

[msalama]

that 2.5 did for me (with DS off)

 

Yeah, for you. Taken into account the huge amount of different hardware out there, optimizing the sim may well work for me while still leaving you up the creek.

 

So what are we to make of this actually?

 

EDIT: Though it has to be said that compared to the Caucasus, the PG map runs much better for me currently in v2.5.2. Less trees and whatnot to render, I suppose.

Edited June 12, 2018 by msalama

[Charlie-1]

So what are we to make of this actually?

 

 

If it's possible to achieve better FPS performance and image quality with the same amount of AA, shadows, effects etc, etc. as pre DS without spending a fortune upgrading kit then myself and many others are missing something?

 

The above being especially true in VR.

 

When I see advice on 'optimising' including turning off MSAA, shadows, effects, etc, etc I would question what progress has been made?

[Goa]

I mean with 2.5 , all maxed out with high-end pc (3000 euro) the game can barely mantain 60 solid fps...

[msalama]

advice on 'optimising'

 

Huh?

 

I'm certainly not referring to any kind of user-level 'optimization', unless I'm compelled to believe you've got the know-how to advice ED on how to optimize their core engine. Because THAT was what I was talking about.

 

So I reiterate: given the amount of different hardware out there, said program-level optimizations may well work for me and still leave you up the creek, because that's just what the nature of the beast is. Comprendo?

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

I think DCS runs quite well for a complex flight sim tbh and I can run it pretty much maxed out with my system no problems. Just m2c.

[msalama]

quite well for a complex flight sim tbh

 

+1

 

Is what I'm talking about, although there is a bit of back-and-forth involved occasionally.

[Charlie-1]

Huh?

 

I'm certainly not referring to any kind of user-level 'optimization', unless I'm compelled to believe you've got the know-how to advice ED on how to optimize their core engine. Because THAT was what I was talking about.

 

So I reiterate: given the amount of different hardware out there, said program-level optimizations may well work for me and still leave you up the creek, because that's just what the nature of the beast is. Comprendo?

 

Great the beta's working out for you, but for some, myself included performance and quality has gone way backwards in comparison, hence my original post, is this as good as it's going to get?

[msalama]

That depends on how well it runs for the silent majority.

[Art-J]

Yup, it's as good as it's going to get performance-wise I think, for a foreseeable future at least. Visual quality might improve somewhat when more external and internal models are converted for Deferred Shading compatibility, but that's about it.

 

I admit 2.5.1 and 2.5.2 OB brought some welcomed performance improvements for me compared to 2.5.0 stable - comparable fps, but much better memory management and much less of the dreaded microstuttering, so I play this version exclusively now.

 

That being said, I'm afraid the days of high fps with quality antialiasing and no microstutters whatsoever (i.e. 1.5.x) are unfortunately gone for good. Especially when we read statements of some ED "powers that be" that antialiasing is a thing of the past. Ummm... Plain hogwash I'd say. That's my opinion, but oh well, they have the right to have theirs, they run the show. Though when I see roughly a year after introduction of DS in 2.1 they still struggle to make it work and look right all around I've got second thoughts. The general performance hit doesn't justify improvements in lighting and shading, which are visible only in certain time & weather conditions and only in certain aircraft.

 

Implementation of Vulkan seems to be the only chance of getting out of this messy situation and it's great that they've started working on it, but such an ambitious task is going to take a while to complete.

[rrohde]

Well said, Art-J :thumbup:

[Charlie-1]

I agree with you too @Art-J to the point I'm going to put the beta back on the shelf, so to speak and check back in 6 months. Oh well :)