JOKERACTS Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 I played the Su-33 campaign mission, Heavy sky, I noticed the F-14A can be detected and locked at under 80KM. I checked the data files and founded it was: PlaneConst.LUA F-14A, RCS = 6 F/A-18C, RCS = 5 MiG-29, RCS = 5 Su-33/27, RCS = 5.5 Mirage-2000C , RCS = 5 that should be need fix, the F-14 should be way lots bigger. 5-6 range was for medium size :doh: lots of forum said F-14 was with RCS way lots bigger Su-33 campaign with F-14 is broken.
WindyTX Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Interesting because the western radars are all far too good. Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar . Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses
falcon_120 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Interesting because the western radars are all far too good. Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar . Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk Its sound quite realistic to me detecting an F4 from 75 miles under certain circunstances (Head on relatively high cloure rate). The F4 is a big plane with big RCS and the APG73 is a great radar. For example the APG63 on the F15 which is a bit superior to the APG73 can detect F4 around 80/100 mn during the pre-operational trials (Can't find the source now though... :() and during gulf war in some of the engagements the F15 detected iraqui Mig23 around 80mn, being the mig23 quite smaller than an F4. Regarding the OP complain, yes 5-6 RCS sounds a bit small for an F14 although we cant know for sure cause that kind of data is classified. I guess we can know only from hornet or eagle pilots from their DACTs.
GGTharos Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Who cares what 'lots of forums say' ... do you have a real RCS measurement for it? :) If not, forget it. Not only that, but AFAIK RCS interacts with the chaff rejection calculation so playing around with it negatively impacts another side of realism. I played the Su-33 campaign mission, Heavy sky, I noticed the F-14A can be detected and locked at under 80KM. I checked the data files and founded it was: PlaneConst.LUA F-14A, RCS = 6 F/A-18C, RCS = 5 MiG-29, RCS = 5 Su-33/27, RCS = 5.5 Mirage-2000C , RCS = 5 that should be need fix, the F-14 should be way lots bigger. 5-6 range was for medium size :doh: lots of forum said F-14 was with RCS way lots bigger Su-33 campaign with F-14 is broken. Edited July 13, 2018 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Interesting because the western radars are all far too good. Not at all. That's the kind of blanket statement that is just not needed and it not correct. Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar . Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk The F-18 radar might have a bit too long of a reach as it is right now, but this radar is WIP. Nice phone BTW. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
falcon_120 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 He has a point though, although RCS is classified ED already made a guesswork assigning RCS for all the planes. This is quite old and it actually may need some refining for some planes, just that. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk
WindyTX Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 We'll I have trained against every one of the western radars IRL and none of them perform as well as they do in DCS. Still not complaining DCS is consistent and makes them all great . Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses
GGTharos Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 There is documentation that they perform in a certain way. Some of it (anecdotes) publicly accessible :) Certainly we don't get the full picture since the documents we can get our hands on don't describe caveats etc. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
JOKERACTS Posted July 13, 2018 Author Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Who cares what 'lots of forums say' ... do you have a real RCS measurement for it? :) If not, forget it. Not only that, but AFAIK RCS interacts with the chaff rejection calculation so playing around with it negatively impacts another side of realism. I got the information here, https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm from there B-52 was 100 m2 , same value in PlaneConst.LUA this mean alots of fault value, F/A-18C should be 3, F-15C should be 25 and not 5, Su-27 should be 15, Mig-21 should be 3, F-14 should be ALOT BIGGER like 50-100+ :D I don't play ARCADE, please don't make DCS world into ARCADE just for BALANCE issue, for me, I don't care, I just want it real as possible as a simulator, if it was disadvantage, It should be disadvantage, I gonna adjust it back to AS IS Edited July 13, 2018 by JOKERACTS
JOKERACTS Posted July 13, 2018 Author Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) got another source of information from other forum, * F-15C & Su-27 (RCS = 10~15m2): 450 ~ 600 km * Tornado (RCS = 8 m2): 420 ~ 500 km * MIG-29 (RCS = 5 m2): 370 ~ 450 km * F/A-18C (RCS = 3 m2): 330 ~ 395 km * F-16C (RCS = 1.2 m2): 260 ~ 310 km * JAS39 (RCS = 0.5 m2): 210 ~ 250 km * Su-47 (RCS = 0.3 m2): 185 ~ 220 km * Rafale (RCS = 0.1~0.2 m2): 140 ~ 200 km * F-18E (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km * MIG-42 (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km * EF2K (RCS = 0.05~0.1 m2): 120 ~ 170 km * F-35A (RCS = 0.0015 m2): 50 ~ 60 km * F/A-22 (RCS < or = 0.0002~0.0005 m2): < or = 30 ~ 45 km f15 , su27 : 10 - 15m2 Tornado: 8 m2 MIG-29: 5 m2 F-18, MIG-21: 3 m2 F-16, M2000: 1~2 m2 so far, just the Mig-29 (5) and B-52 (100) was matched, B-52 = 100 B-1 , Mig-31 = 10 F-18C, Mig-21 = 3, M2000 = 2 F-16A, Mig-29 = 5 F-16C = 1.2 Tornado = 8 Su-27 = 15 Su-33 = 4-5 ? or 15+ ? (similar like Su-30MKI ?) Su-30MKI = 4 F-15C = 25 F-14 = 30-50 ? (source said 100x F/A-18E, much bigger then F-15C) Edited July 13, 2018 by JOKERACTS
mvsgas Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 F-16A at 5 and F-16C at 1.2; is that from DCS or the "information" you gather? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
JOKERACTS Posted July 13, 2018 Author Posted July 13, 2018 F-16A at 5 and F-16C at 1.2; is that from DCS or the "information" you gather? GLOBALSECURITY.ORG https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm
blkspade Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Something with a variable geometry wing probably wouldn't accurately represented by a static value in the first place. Perhaps they'll move entirely to a ray traced radar model for player aircraft. http://104thphoenix.com/
mvsgas Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Ok so they are making assumption on one aircraft I wonder how many more assumption they are making. So opinionated guesses. Never mind To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
GGTharos Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 How accurate are there? GLOBALSECURITY.ORG [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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