Max Range On TPOD for Buddy Lase?

[HawkDCS]

Just wondered what the max range was on the TPOD for a buddy lase? Say one guy is running in with Laser Mavs and GBUs how far can I hang back and still lase?

[Shadow_1stVFW]

Right now because of a bug, only around 8 miles.

 

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[HawkDCS]

Right now because of a bug, only around 8 miles.

 

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Well that explains a lot.:megalol:

[HawkDCS]

Is this a bug thats known by RAZBAM? Seemed like it was working properly before.

[Evilfisher]

Flew Yesterday with my Squad

A10 and Harrier buddylasing @1688

A10 lasing Harrier spots laser about 12/14nm range

 

Cheers Evilfisher

[Ramsay]

Flew Yesterday with my Squad

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A10 lasing Harrier spots laser about 12/14nm range

 

The problem isn't the sensing range of the laser maverick.

 

It's the range of the targeting pod laser which is about 8nm.

 

The launching aircraft can fire while further out (50 sec missile life = approx 12.5nm with sufficient launch speed/altitude), provided it continues to fly towards the target or is using a JTAC/buddy lase that is within 8nm at time of impact.

 

The behaviour seen in DCS is due to a laser 'spot' at the end of the 8nm beam, suspended in mid air, that moves with the lasing TPOD/aircraft.

 

IRL the laser 'spot' would appear on the target (if the laser is powerful enough) or not be detected at all.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by Ramsay

[Gorgok]

That explains the big curve my mavs were doing...

 

Any idea of the actual range of the laser currently? Is it a horizontal limit or an actual length limit?

 

Good thing is this is simpler to explain to my friend than what i (mis)understood before in this thread. Now i can simply say the laser is more like a blind cane (not sure what they are actually called) than a laser. As long as it can touch the target it doesn't matter, but if it can't it sure does.

[swatstar98]

Is this in the pipeline of ED to solve it? I think is quite a priority for the Lmavs of Harriers and Hornets!

Edited November 21, 2018 by swatstar98
wrong expression

[Tholozor]

8 nautical miles is a realistic limitation of how far laser energy is effective for designation. The LITENING pod has an effective range of about 50,000ft for the designating laser, which is roughly 8 nautical miles.

 

Northrop Grumman's LITENING data sheet: https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=45586&d=1292181010

 

The actual "bug" is that lasers don't behave like emitters, and instead act like a physical object like a 8-mile long rod with the designating point on the end of it (which can move up and down the length of the beam), which can end up floating in mid-air. Realistically there wouldn't be enough reflected energy for obtain a valid lock, but in DCS, that point is always valid no matter where it's located. There should be a flag or condition within the laser itself that runs a check to see if the end of the beam has an AGL height above 0 (and isn't intersecting an object or the ground) in order for the lock to be valid.

 

It's a DCS-level issue and has nothing to do with the Harrier itself or RAZBAM.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Tholozor

[jojo]

8 nautical miles is a realistic limitation of how far laser energy is effective for designation. The LITENING pod has an effective range of about 50,000ft for the designating laser, which is roughly 8 nautical miles.

 

Northrop Grumman's LITENING data sheet: https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=45586&d=1292181010

 

The actual "bug" is that lasers don't behave like emitters, and instead act like a physical object like a 8-mile long rod with the designating point on the end of it (which can move up and down the length of the beam), which can end up floating in mid-air. Realistically there wouldn't be enough reflected energy for obtain a valid lock, but in DCS, that point is always valid no matter where it's located. There should be a flag or condition within the laser itself that runs a check to see if the end of the beam has an AGL height above 0 (and isn't intersecting an object or the ground) in order for the lock to be valid.

If you change the target’s face you’re illuminating during egress, the bomb may loose the spot.

 

It's a DCS-level issue and has nothing to do with the Harrier itself or RAZBAM.

 

You’re reading it wrong buddy. 50 000ft is the max altitude you can use laser for designation.

Some older pods had lower ceiling for laser designation, this is why it does worth mentioning it.

 

There is another issue at long range however. The laser beam is slightly divergent. So the longer the range, the bigger the laser spot on target. If the laser spot is larger than the target, the bomb may go for secondary reflection.

 

Another problem we don’t care in gamer simulation is target reflection. You have to be careful to the face of the target you are designating, in case of buddy lazing, you have to attack on the right side.

Edited November 23, 2018 by jojo

[Tholozor]

In any case, it's still a DCS-level issue. ED's simulation of laser emitters is incorrect.

[jojo]

In any case, it's still a DCS-level issue. ED's simulation of laser emitters is incorrect.

 

Yes it is :thumbup: