Best anti-radar missile?

[dresoccer4]

quick question: which planes have anti-radar/radiation missiles you can use? i'm trying to set up a mission to take out AA Radar. thanks@

[FlankerMan]

The Su-25T is the only flyable aircraft with anti-radar missiles (until the F/A-18C gets the AGM-88C HARM; the A/V-8B can use a short-range ARM, but it's not for big SAMs), and it can use the Kh-58U, which in my opinion is the best ARM in DCS, followed by (in this order) the Kh-31P, AGM-88C, ALARM, and the Kh-25MPU (which the Su-25T can also use).

[bolek]

FWIW, I find that while Kh-58U have longer range, Kh-25MPU are faster and less likely to be shot down before hitting the target (especially against ships but also land based SAMs).

[dresoccer4]

The Su-25T is the only flyable aircraft with anti-radar missiles (until the F/A-18C gets the AGM-88C HARM; the A/V-8B can use a short-range ARM, but it's not for big SAMs), and it can use the Kh-58U, which in my opinion is the best ARM in DCS, followed by (in this order) the Kh-31P, AGM-88C, ALARM, and the Kh-25MPU (which the Su-25T can also use).

 

thanks for the info! yeah i knew about the SU-25Ts arsenal of good ARMs but wasn't sure if any of the full fidelity modules had em. looks like i'll have to wait out for the HARM. :music_whistling:

edit: what can use the AGM-88C?

[dresoccer4]

FWIW, I find that while Kh-58U have longer range, Kh-25MPU are faster and less likely to be shot down before hitting the target (especially against ships but also land based SAMs).

 

oh yeah good points!

[Mars Exulte]

FWIW, I find that while Kh-58U have longer range, Kh-25MPU are faster and less likely to be shot down before hitting the target (especially against ships but also land based SAMs).

 

What? No they're not. Kh-58s are mach 3+. Kh-25s are barely transonic (at least the ones we have). Kh-58s can barely be intercepted except by specialty equipment like Tors. They also have several times the warhead size and will destroy any vehicles near the impact site.

[David OC]

 

 

The AGM-122 "Sidearm" Came To Be From A Novel Missile Recycling Scheme

 

 

Best in game... Yes, the Su-25T for now.

[bolek]

What? No they're not. Kh-58s are mach 3+. Kh-25s are barely transonic (at least the ones we have). Kh-58s can barely be intercepted except by specialty equipment like Tors. They also have several times the warhead size and will destroy any vehicles near the impact site.

 

Well, I don't know then. Are you comparing RL or DCS? At the same launch range? That may be... Are the speeds that you quote maximum or terminal? It has been my experience that when Kh-58U is shot at longer range (that's what it is for) it is shot down easier than Kh-25MPU. Nothing scientific. Perhaps flight profile difference? Kh-25MPU tend to fly lower. Also, some ships do have Tor.

[dresoccer4]

Well, I don't know then. Are you comparing RL or DCS? At the same launch range? That may be... Are the speeds that you quote maximum or terminal? It has been my experience that when Kh-58U is shot at longer range (that's what it is for) it is shot down easier than Kh-25MPU. Nothing scientific. Perhaps flight profile difference? Kh-25MPU tend to fly lower. Also, some ships do have Tor.

 

i did notice the Kh-58 hit at at like ~400 knots today which did seem kinda slow

[FlankerMan]

I know that the Kh-25MPU is faster and less likely to be shot down, but it's also shorter range. The F-16 (all versions), as well as the F/A-18C, and in the future the flyable F/A-18C Lot 20 can use the HARM.

[FlankerMan]

The Kh-58U can be taken down by the Patriot and Hawk, and presumably some Russian SAMs like the SA-10, SA-15, and S-300F.

[joca133]

I just wish the Mirage had the radar upgrade and AM39 Exocet. That would be pure fun for me. The SU25T is great up to a Buk. Waiting to see the Harm on the Hornet. Overall the hornet will be great, perhaps the best, when we get all capabilities enabled, including ground radar.

[Mars Exulte]

DCS, of course. Any weapon fired at maximum range is of course going to lose speed, that's a given. And yes, S-300s and Patriots can intercept missiles... that's one of their common in RL uses, too, so yeah. Smaller mobile SAMs or short to mid range are what you'd be going after, as the big complexes grossly out range you.

 

You CAN engage from maximum range, but as with any weapon that is NOT necessarily what you want to do. You engage from maximum safe distance, not maximum flight time. A Kh-58 will vastly outpace a Kh-25 at similar distances and still greatly outpace it even at mid ranges, especially launched at altitude. Obviously if you fired it from such a distance that it's struggling to stay airborne by the time it gets there it is easily intercepted.

 

So, no. The 25 is not in any way shape or form 'better'. If your 58s are being intercepted it's because you're mis-using them. You don't just pop shots off the instant you get LA with ANY weapon. You use judgement based on circumstances as to when to fire... you know, so your weapon release is actually effective?

 

For example, to choose some arbitrary numbers, let's say a Buk can fire from 40km, you can fire from 80km. You do not fire at 80km, you fire 45km + or -, to maximise the likelihood of actually getting through. If it's possible to get closer and have the ability to still get behind cover safely, there's no reason not to. Every kilometer the missile doesn't have to fly is just more speed it will have, and by extension less likelihood of being intercepted.

 

Against larger complexes it becomes essential you get as close as possible before release to maximise speed and minimise time available to intercept. But if a Patriot or S-300 is in the open where you can't get to it, you don't attack with a single plane or missile anyway! The real world solution would be a massed attack and volleys of missiles. In the game, if you're alone or otherwise can't group up, you just go someplace else. That's the purpose of SAMs, area denial. If you don't have what you need to deal with em you go around.

Edited September 29, 2018 by zhukov032186

[609_Relentov]

Very well said Zhukov.