Horns Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Coming from the M2K I knew I couldn't expect the same kind of speed from the F/A-18, but I was surprised at how dramatically different the acceleration of the two jets was, especially carrying stores. I know the Tomcat has an insane amount of thrust at full a/b, but there's also a lot turkey to move, so I'm curious about how well she accelerates. I've tried to read the performance charts but I'm not even sure which measure to use, let alone absorbing the data. Anything that can't be done on a pocket calculator is too much for me nowadays. I'd really appreciate it if someone can describe how the acceleration of the F-14 might be, between say m 0.7 and m1.1? We could use the Mirage 2000 or F/A-18 for comparison, and/or the Viggen too... Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Deano87 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 I’ll eat my shoes if it doesn’t leave a Hornet for dust acceleration wise. The Hornet is well known for not being the fastest thing with an afterburner, I’d expect the Tomcat to be much better. Of course anybody who has the time to compare Natops manuals and give us some hard numbers would be welcome :) Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Horns Posted November 30, 2018 Author Posted November 30, 2018 Haha ok, glad to know I’m not alone. If it does take as long m0.7 to 0.8 I’ll have to live vicariously through Phoenix cam Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Victory205 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 One thing to keep in mind- as the F14 accelerates, it gets smaller. It was dramatically faster than the Hornet at all altitudes. So much so, that you had to be careful about running over the cute little things. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Horns Posted November 30, 2018 Author Posted November 30, 2018 One thing to keep in mind- as the F14 accelerates, it gets smaller. It was dramatically faster than the Hornet at all altitudes. So much so, that you had to be careful about running over the cute little things. Now THAT is good to hear! Awesome, thanks for replying :thumbup: Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
jcdata Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 Mach drag profile lower Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Horns Posted December 1, 2018 Author Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Mach drag profile lower Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Ah cool, I guess that’s helped by stores being mounted under the fuselage. Thanks for replying :) Edited December 1, 2018 by Horns Deleted emote fail Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Nexus-6 Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 The Tomcat had it's quirks, but being slow definitely wasn't one of them. Even the late Captain Carroll Lefon, detractor of the F-14 that he was, allowed that "she would go like a striped-assed baboon when you put her to the spur". Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can.
Dino Might Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 The Tomcat had it's quirks, but being slow definitely wasn't one of them. Even the late Captain Carroll Lefon, detractor of the F-14 that he was, allowed that "she would go like a striped-assed baboon when you put her to the spur". Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk OT, but Lex's blog was one of my favorite reads. Wish I could have known him. His only character flaw was not loving the Tomcat.
Horns Posted December 1, 2018 Author Posted December 1, 2018 The Tomcat had it's quirks, but being slow definitely wasn't one of them. Even the late Captain Carroll Lefon, detractor of the F-14 that he was, allowed that "she would go like a striped-assed baboon when you put her to the spur". Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Fantastic. As long as she's fast I'll happily put in the work and time to get her figured out. Cheers :) Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Nexus-6 Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 OT, but Lex's blog was one of my favorite reads. Wish I could have known him. His only character flaw was not loving the Tomcat. Just one more reason to be glad I frequent these forums. Not only are they a wealth of information, but you discover unforeseen treasure troves like links to the archive of Neptunus Lex (thanks, BlackLion). It's very unfortunate that he's no longer with us. His posts were always entertaining and, although an internet blog is generally a poor way to get a read on someone, I believe that he was also a good man. Sometimes I was shocked, sometimes I laughed, sometimes I simply sat back and thought a little harder about a topic I had otherwise dismissed. Regardless, I always felt like I was at least a little better off for having taken the time. Can't pretend fly as well as you can.
Nexus-6 Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 Fantastic. As long as she's fast I'll happily put in the work and time to get her figured out. Cheers :)No matter what people might say, she was a lot more than just fast. But, if speed is your mania, you'll get it in spades. The Turkey was fast, alright. Very, very fast. Can't pretend fly as well as you can.
Nanne118 Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 Can we also expect the power increase attributed to switching off the bleed air sources ('OFF')? Can't remember exactly where I read it, but supposedly doing this (together with switching the radar off, as it is air-cooled and would otherwise fry) creates a power increase [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Groundpounder extraordinaire SPECS: i7-4790K, MSI Z97 Gaming 7, 16 GB RAM, MSI GTX 980ti, Thrustmaster WARTHOG HOTAS, Saitek Pro Combat Rudder pedals, TrackIR 5
Squid_DK Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 The AWG-9 is liquid cooled, same loop as AIM-54s http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM
Vitormouraa Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Can we also expect the power increase attributed to switching off the bleed air sources ('OFF')? Can't remember exactly where I read it, but supposedly doing this (together with switching the radar off, as it is air-cooled and would otherwise fry) creates a power increase Yes. Not sure how much air we are talking about here but anytime you bleed air from the engine you are essentially taking that air that would be used for combustion/cooling/thrust to cool down a component in the aircraft, which does not contribute to the thrust generated by the engines. Depending how much air is bled from the engine, you can even see an increase in engine temperature, like we see when we use an APU to start the engines, or when you use the crossbleed to start one of the main engines. But shutting off the bleed valves wouldn't make any difference when you're flying the aircraft I believe. Unless you measure everything precisely. But by "feel", no, you won't see any difference. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
turkeydriver Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 He's referring to the so called ZONE 6 that Hoser came up with- putting the radar in standby and pulling the bleed air circuit breaker... I can't imagine it adding more than 100lbs of thrust or so......kinda comical. Not really a combat tactic. Hoser was a legendary pilot and most noteworthy and teaching aggressiveness and gun accuracy to new F-14 crews. Some of his stories are tall tales....like when he says he shot a locomotive with an AIM-9 to stop the commie train from going into a mountain tunnel in Vietnam, or when he kept a tape recording of the RWR warning of an SA-2in his Vigilante and played it over the carrier and shot up single engine afterburner to scare everyone in the pattern. He has some tactics advice and he has some tall tales for drinks at the bar. Just decipher what is useable and what is not. VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk
Victory205 Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 He's referring to the so called ZONE 6 that Hoser came up with- putting the radar in standby and pulling the bleed air circuit breaker... I can't imagine it adding more than 100lbs of thrust or so......kinda comical. Not really a combat tactic. Hoser was a legendary pilot and most noteworthy and teaching aggressiveness and gun accuracy to new F-14 crews. Some of his stories are tall tales....like when he says he shot a locomotive with an AIM-9 to stop the commie train from going into a mountain tunnel in Vietnam, or when he kept a tape recording of the RWR warning of an SA-2in his Vigilante and played it over the carrier and shot up single engine afterburner to scare everyone in the pattern. He has some tactics advice and he has some tall tales for drinks at the bar. Just decipher what is useable and what is not. The best thing Hoser did for the F14 community was to shoot his thumb off with a homemade, 20mm Zip Gun of his own design. They harvesting his big toe, spliced it on to his hand where his obliterated thumb used to be, thereby forever changing his persona from the mythical "Hoser" to the reality of "Toeser". His Toe-Thumb was bizarre looking. Somehow, it worked. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Vitormouraa Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 He's referring to the so called ZONE 6 that Hoser came up with- putting the radar in standby and pulling the bleed air circuit breaker... I can't imagine it adding more than 100lbs of thrust or so......kinda comical. Not really a combat tactic. Hoser was a legendary pilot and most noteworthy and teaching aggressiveness and gun accuracy to new F-14 crews. Some of his stories are tall tales....like when he says he shot a locomotive with an AIM-9 to stop the commie train from going into a mountain tunnel in Vietnam, or when he kept a tape recording of the RWR warning of an SA-2in his Vigilante and played it over the carrier and shot up single engine afterburner to scare everyone in the pattern. He has some tactics advice and he has some tall tales for drinks at the bar. Just decipher what is useable and what is not. I LOL'd when reading this. That's hilarious! :D SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
Nexus-6 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 The best thing Hoser did for the F14 community was to shoot his thumb off with a homemade, 20mm Zip Gun of his own design. They harvesting his big toe, spliced it on to his hand where his obliterated thumb used to be, thereby forever changing his persona from the mythical "Hoser" to the reality of "Toeser". His Toe-Thumb was bizarre looking. Somehow, it worked.I take it that Cmdr. "Hoser" Satrapa was looked upon unfavorably by at least some of his peers? Can't pretend fly as well as you can.
turkeydriver Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I take it that Cmdr. "Hoser" Satrapa was looked upon unfavorably by at least some of his peers? I don't think it was unfavorable, just people who personally knew him knew his personality. VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk
Bad Idea Hat Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 I don't think it was unfavorable, just people who personally knew him knew his personality. Is this in the same region as "eccentric vs crazy"? Eccentric if you're good enough to be, crazy if you're not.
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