A bit of wisdom for an old geezer

[Capn Penguin]

Good evening everyone. I have been really enjoying my time in DCS, but the last week and ugly "thing" has started to occur and I am hoping for some guidance.

 

I am getting random reboots when flying DCS. No warning just a snap reboot. I have looked through the forums and I reset the ram and used HWmonitor to look at the power thingy. I only have DCS and Silent Hunter 4 on the computer and 100% of the RBs are in DCS, VR and non VR.

 

The error in the error log is an event ID "10016": The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID

Windows.SecurityCenter.WscCloudBackupProvider

and APPID

Unavailable

to the user DESKTOP-5AO6RQP\johne SID (S-1-5-21-3614457103-1545748252-562400338-1002) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

 

My system specs are: i9-9900k, 32 Gig DDR 3000 RAM, 240G SSD, RTX 2080 ti 11G, TM HOTAS, Oculus VR headset.

 

I am not trying to be a bother, I have spent several hours on the web trying to understand it but my 51 year old grey matter is not able to put the pieces together.

 

Thank you for any guidance you can provide.

 

A very perplexed: John

[BitMaster]

What wattage is your PSU ? Could be it.

 

Cheap trick would be another NV driver.

 

Could be a faulty driver or PSU mostly

 

 

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[David OC]

I am not trying to be a bother, I have spent several hours on the web trying to understand it but my 51 year old grey matter is not able to put the pieces together.

 

Thank you for any guidance you can provide.

 

A very perplexed: John

 

It's all good John,

 

We all run into trouble from time to time (Weird pc things too) and we all help nut things out here.

 

 

What wattage is your PSU ? Could be it.

 

Cheap trick would be another NV driver.

 

Could be a faulty driver or PSU mostly

 

 

Like Bit has said start with the easy ones like updating drivers, then it gets tricky if you don't have spare parts.

 

Did you build this cool 2080ti PC?

 

We are all "hoping" they didn't skim on the power supply like some builders / large brands do. What is it exactly + wattage? Example

 

You have 32GB ram, is that 2 sticks or four? If the drivers don't help?

 

I would pull out one stick of ram, keep (1) 16gb if 16gb single sticks in the main slot and test in DCS. If it fails try the other one. If you list your motherboard we can look it up and see which is the main slot. If running 4 sticks? Keep them in pairs and test from the main two ram slots etc.

 

Only reason to test this is because I had a PC at work awhile ago doing that only from time to time, guessing it was only when it hit a part of the ram that was faulty, we had spare ram their so I tried that, now no reboots.

Edit:

If you have a 2nd monitor? Leave the HWmonitor up so you can see it and check the CPU/GPU temps, my HWmonitor doesn't show CPU temps...? I use Corsair link off my motherboard. I'm just wondering if the heatsink/paste is not seated properly and it's getting hot etc. Is it on water, an AIO? These can sometimes not seat down really right if not being careful when tightening them up. Just a thought...

Edited December 23, 2018 by David OC

[BitMaster]

A bit of wisdom for an old geezer

 

Regarding RAM Topology, it’s a good start to list your specs as detailed as you can, pants down so to say

 

Mobo

GPU

RAM kit

Drives

PSU

Screen

USB devices attached

 

Software: OS Build, drivers for gpu sound chipset usb network etc

 

Make sure the drivers are uptodate according motherboard vendor.

 

Download a few stresstests: like those

 

Prime95 v 26.6 ( non AVX )

Realbench

Aida64

IBT v2. ( Intel burn test v2)

 

Stress your rig with both cpu and gpu and see if it shuts off n reboots.

 

Report back

 

 

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[METEOP]

Hi Cap'n I used to repair computers for a living so this is how I would approach the issue:

 

Fist, isolate the problem (while taking nothing for granted).

 

I would take an old SSD / HDD, install a fresh windows and DCS, copy your configs and give it a go. If you ever wanted to upgrade your hard drive then it's a good time to do this.

 

If the problem persists, you have to look into the hardware. If not then it's a software issue.

 

Here a caveat : yes it is still possible at this point that the issue is software (ie: BIOS) but you are trying to hold on to anything you can at this point so you have to generalize a bit.

 

Another clue to determine if it's software or hardware: if your Windows reboots (shows the restarting thingy) it is more likely a software problem, but if it crashes and reboots in a split second it's probably the BIOS trying to recover from a hardware failure.

 

Also another thing I would tell you is NEVER READ THE ERROR MESSAGES FROM MICROSOFT. They are wrong almost 99% of the time, mostly come from a secondary issue and will put you in the wrong direction towards resolving your problem.

 

If your problem was software, by reinstalling Windows you corrected your problem, time to play!

 

If your problem is hardware, well this is going to be very painfull... I recommend taking your computer to a professional repair center so that they can swap parts to try to find the one (cpu, ram stick, mobo, graphics card etc.) that crashes the system.

 

If you computer crashes while installing Windows this could be usefull for the repair tech.

 

Of course to do this they have to recreate the problem, which can be impossible in a lab settings sometimes.

 

If you have a friend willing to swap parts with you to try, this could be a tremendous help, but I don't have such friends I hope you do.

 

I know what some of you guys are saying, reinstalling Windows is too much of a pain in the ass just for doing a test...

 

Believe me... it will be the fastest way to go :noexpression:

[David OC]

I think BitMaster would probably say?

 

Make a bootable usb with Linux Mint and stress test their first if you think it could be windows, not sure what program to use as a stress test? You would need to ask Bit about this stuff.

 

Also, Like METEOP mentioned, maybe update the BIOS too.

[BitMaster]

USB Stick --> Linux Mint v19 --> BOOT it ---> run this

 

stressapptest 3600 #that will run your rig ( not GPU ) at 100%

 

 

info is here: https://github.com/stressapptest/stressapptest

[BitMaster]

Rufus is the tool you might need. It really is easy to use.

 

Download it, show it the Mint ISO file and let it run, it's all preset in the newer versions of Rufus.

 

Easy as 1-2-3.

 

You DO NOT need to install Mint, run the LIVE version from that stick, stressapptest is already on it, as well as a myriad of other tools and goodies you may need for troubleshooting.

 

If your PC fails doing a hardcore stresstest with lots of wattage, it's likely your PSU or a faulty motherboard, cable, etc... HEAT is the issue then, in one or the other form.

 

 

**When I have sudden reboots, it's 95% the NV driver I just installed. Go 1 back or fetch a beta, that is usually the #1 I try when I get a BSOD while gaming. Maybe that is the first you should try, different NV drivers.

 

USE DDU to manage NV drivers, that is a good start ;)

[BitMaster]

I think BitMaster would probably say?

 

Make a bootable usb with Linux Mint and stress test their first if you think it could be windows, not sure what program to use as a stress test? You would need to ask Bit about this stuff.

 

Also, Like METEOP mentioned, maybe update the BIOS too.

 

 

You know me well by now David :thumbup:

[Capn Penguin]

Thank you for the advice and guidance. I'm noting it all day and then this box-o-electronic bits and I shall do battle. I can answer a few of the questions.......

 

I did not build the computer. Heck at my age and with a South Carolina education I can barely spell computer.

 

We're gonna start digging now.

 

More soon as my son is cranky this morning and wants to get it fixed :)>

 

Thank you all again and I apologize for not posting my specs in the correct order, I'm new to this part of it.

 

Powering down to dig into the PSU.

 

John

[METEOP]

Thank you for the advice and guidance. I'm noting it all day and then this box-o-electronic bits and I shall do battle. I can answer a few of the questions.......

 

I did not build the computer. Heck at my age and with a South Carolina education I can barely spell computer.

 

We're gonna start digging now.

 

More soon as my son is cranky this morning and wants to get it fixed :)>

 

Thank you all again and I apologize for not posting my specs in the correct order, I'm new to this part of it.

 

Powering down to dig into the PSU.

 

John

 

Godspeed Cap'n Penguin & son

[javelina1]

good luck John. You have some very sharp folks on this thread that can help. Hope all goes well.

[Capn Penguin]

Okay gentlemen so here's the skinny so far. The power supply in the system is 650w. And looking around online I see that is the bare minimum recommended. I also jumped onto a couple of websites digital storm and two others and did a custom built with my specs and all of them absolutely recommended a minimum of 850 for the I-9 with the 2080ti card.

 

To answer to somebody's questions earlier my Ram is 4 8 gig sticks its Corsair Vengeance Ram.

 

So based on some of the recommendations and just in case, I just ordered a thousand watt power supply that will be delivered today. You just have to love Amazon Prime.

 

There is something else I was looking at my notes. I'm a voracious Note Taker. It's a blessing and a curse, as monk would say, and one of the thing I noticed every time it happened, when the system rebooted at the bottom right corner of the screen I got a little notification box that would say the USB device you recently installed did not install correctly.

 

I haven't installed anything new, I have thrustmaster 16000 flight set up at the rudder pedals throttle and joystick and then my Oculus Rift the two sensors in the headset, mouse and keyboard and that's all I have plugged into the USB ports but could that potentially be an an issue.

 

I really appreciate y'all taking the time to help me. Community is wonderful.

 

A very appreciative: John

[BitMaster]

Ok, Great.

 

I hope you picked a premium PSU.

 

We are really PSU fanatics here. Haha

 

Demon will jump in....

 

 

 

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[Demon_]

So based on some of the recommendations and just in case' date=' [b']I just ordered a thousand watt power supply that will be delivered today[/b]. You just have to love Amazon Prime.

 

Maybe too late.

 

Ok, Great.

 

I hope you picked a premium PSU.

 

We are really PSU fanatics here. Haha

 

 

He should cancel the order and talk with us. A new big CPU, Mobo and big video card,,, with an old PSU :D What is this new PSU?

Edited December 23, 2018 by Demon_

[Varis]

Yes wattage is not reliable unless it's at least top brand but there is much more to PSU than wattage...

 

 

The brand matters but the model may matter more. Look for the 80 Plus labels/certification... Gold is preferable. Corsair makes some pretty decent ones but also the cheap ones... I have one of the better myself, but 2 from Enermax and before that I just didn't know the stuff...

[Capn Penguin]

My son's in town just for a couple of days for Christmas and so I ordered it quickly just in case that is the issue. I'll absolutely return it if that turns out not to be the root cause.

 

I ordered the Corsair rmx 850 X power suppliy. It was rated highly at several of the hardware web sites and I found multiple positive statements about it here on the forums. They had one that could be delivered today so I ordered it as a just to be ready.

 

We are starting the other testing processes now that we're recomended.

 

I'll keep everyone posted as we progress through the steps.

 

A tentatively optomistic: John

[Capn Penguin]

Please let me know if that's one of the ones that you guys do not recommend we can jump in the car and total back over to Fry's and pick up something else. So what would you guys recommend?

 

There are things I'm very confident in and I'm very comfortable with pieces parts for my computer is not one of them so I openly accept and receive any guidance and wisdom you guys can give me.

 

A humbled novice: John

[METEOP]

I ordered the Corsair rmx 850 X power suppliy.

 

That's what I have! Been going strong for two years now.

 

I'ts GOLD rated so you should not have any problem, if 850w. is enough for your rig. Contrasy to lesser models it will give you a real and solid 850w I says good choice!

 

I'm sure others will chime in also on the quality of this unit.

[Capn Penguin]

Motherboard(MSI MAG Z390 Tomahawk)

Power Supply(650 Watt - Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB - 80 PLUS Gold, Full Modular)

 

This is the current PSU. Thoughts?

 

Processor(Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor (8x 3.60GHz/16MB L3 Cache))

 

Processor Cooling(120mm RGB Liquid Cooling System)

 

Memory(XPG SPECTRIX D41 RGB 32 GB [8 GB x 4] DDR4-3200MHz)

 

Video Card(ASUS Turbo GeForce® RTX 2080 Ti - 11GB (VR Ready))

 

Storage(1 TB Western Digital Blue SSD)

 

Motherboard(MSI MAG Z390 Tomahawk)

 

Power Supply(650 Watt - Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB - 80 PLUS Gold, Full Modular)

 

TM 16000m Flight control

 

Oculus Rift

[BitMaster]

Good pick, absolutely no worries

 

 

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[Demon_]

Corsair RM850x is very good. The peak power is 935w, efficiency at 60% load (running DCS) is around 91%. The Version 2 (RM850x V2) is a tiny better.

https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia/sys_master/productcontent/corsair-psu-spec-table.pdf

Edited December 23, 2018 by Demon_

[BitMaster]

The cooler is too small for overcloxking, we talk later about that. 2 or 3 x120/140 is what you need to go 5g

 

 

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[hansangb]

Thank you for the advice and guidance. I'm noting it all day and then this box-o-electronic bits and I shall do battle. I can answer a few of the questions.......

 

I did not build the computer. Heck at my age and with a South Carolina education I can barely spell computer.

 

We're gonna start digging now.

 

More soon as my son is cranky this morning and wants to get it fixed :)>

 

Thank you all again and I apologize for not posting my specs in the correct order, I'm new to this part of it.

 

Powering down to dig into the PSU.

 

John

 

 

FYI, I blamed PUGB since that was the only thing that rebooted my computer. Like you said, just a snap reboot. I did the cinebench, Intel stress, and every other stress test w/ no issues. Did memtest for 24 hours straight with no issues.

 

 

But in the end, replacing my 10+ year old 1200W PSU did the trick.

 

 

You may want to dig into what brand and power rating your PSU has.

[cichlidfan]

LOL! The PSU advocacy club has spoken. ;)

 

Merry Christmas, guys!