1080 and VR = 30FPS?

[Fredmi]

I have a i7-4790k at 4.00GHz

32Gig Ram

1080 Founders Edition

1TB SSD

 

30 FPS with EVERYTHING in settings turned off or to minimum settings

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any Ideas why the GPU goes from 100% to around 50% when the Oculus is put on?

 

Tried Drivers, edited Nvidia Settings for maximum performance, and Lots of internet reasearch and getting nothing. Does anyone have an idea?

[Svsmokey]

Welcome to the forums !

 

Clean driver install ?

 

Delete fxo and metashaders folders ?

 

Mods ?

 

Clean and repair DCS ?

Edited February 2, 2019 by Svsmokey

[Fredmi]

Thank You for the Reply Svsmokey,

 

Safe Mode remove 1080 Drivers and did a clean install with just the driver, same result

 

Delete fxo and metashaders folders and got me 8fps, that is where I am at now and I did it previous to running above numbers.

 

Only mod is Civil Airliners

 

Did not do a Repair to dcs yet and will try now, thanks

[Fredmi]

Did a Repair and same issue, 22FPS with sliders where it is not painful

[Svsmokey]

Not sure if this will help , but wort a try...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3782218&postcount=24

[Svsmokey]

Also , recommend resetting Nvidea to default except "max performance" if that is not the default .

[Headwarp]

What headset are you using?

 

Also take a look at your individual cpu core usage.. see if any of them are hitting 99%

[BitMaster]

^This

 

Maybe your ONE core is tilted at 4.4GHz.

 

With 5GHz or 5.2GHz you're stuck 15fps later, at 45fps...unless flying high etc..that yields 90fps

[Fredmi]

Thank You all soo much for taking your time to help me!!! You guys rock!

 

Svsmokey, I have seen the video and previously enabled all even cores, double checked this is still unchanged. Like your thinking.... I also left everything at default except the change to max performance that needed to be changed and had done so previously.

 

Headwarp, Oculus Rift, Here is the individual cores (was flying P-51 in Nevada while taking the picture so it is not paused in this image....I also understand that Nevada is a HUNGRY map for the Sim but wanted to show that nothing is pegged still)

 

BitMaster, if nothing is pinned I should have better fps or a bigger load on the processors, or at least that is how I feel about the info I am given... I am missing something and I can not figure it out.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Fredmi

[Headwarp]

So just reading through these posts again. And there are honestly quite a few things to check and require a bit more specification on your part.

 

Is this happening in one specific aircraft? If so which.

 

Have you tried running DCS without the mod you have installed and are you getting the same results? If you haven't tried the latest version without the mod I would do a cleanup, followed by a repair and see how the game runs vanilla. You can do this through command prompt, by navigating to your install directory/bin/ and typing "dcs_updater.exe cleanup" without the quotes, followed by "dcs_updater.exe repair"

 

If you're going to use mods, I would also suggest you download, install, and learn how to use JSGME or OvGME. You don't want to download updates from Eagle Dynamics while you have mods installed. This software copies the original game data when you enable a mod, and then replaces it when you disable said mod. At which point you can start the update for the latest version. And even then, the mod developer likely needs to update his work for it to be compatible with new versions of the game in many cases.

 

You also say, you "Tried drivers." Does this mean you went to your motherboard, laptop, or pre-built computer manufacterer's support website and verified you have the latest or best working version of each available driver for your system? As well as having forced windows update to check for the latest updates to the operating system?

 

As far as the nvidia driver, did you install 417.71 using the "express" method? This caused issues with my rig. Remedy - download latest drivers, then find the latest version of DDU from guru3d, boot to safemode to run DDU, then install the drivers you downloaded from nvidia. Reconfigure your NV control panel settings..

 

The screen grab below shows the most important one imo for a dcs profile.

 

 

 

Also it's hard to guage much by your pictures of your task manager and resource monitor. On an idle desktop, do any of your background processes use more than 1-2% of your cpu with processes sorted by cpu usage in task manager? Shouldn't be.

 

May I recommend MSI afterburner for monitoring your resource usage while actually running DCS? It won't tell you what's using what, but it will tell you how much of what's being used including temperatures and you can break it down to a per core level. You can also change the polling rate so that it updates the information you see faster, although doing so can use a bit of cpu itself.

 

I would mention ASW, but if you're only getting 30 fps you're not there yet.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Headwarp

[BitMaster]

I would 1st make sure your rig runs DCS to its maximum w/o Rift, use a standard monitor to resolve general issues first. Once DCS runs great on your rig, employ the Rift.

 

You might want to use bitsum.com software called ProcessLasso. Give it a try. Tell the app to handle DCS on real cores only ( 1 click ) and see how it runs with 4 real cores only.

 

 

and yes, clean + repair your DCS also. You need a common clean base DCS install to start troubleshooting. Mods and other changes may taint your outcome.

 

report back :)

[David OC]

Also, what PD under the VR settings are you running?

[Fredmi]

Thank you all for putting in so much effort...... I am now up to 40FPS but had very bad shaking like I had the jitters when moving head... seems I got it all resolved so it is usable. I will troubleshoot more when I have some time but let me answer those who were kind enough to take the time for me. I really appreciate you guys helping me like this, Thank You soooo much

 

Headwarp - speed slow on all aircraft, L-39, F/A-18, TF-51 but I do not fly Russian fighters yet so can't talk about those.

 

I am running Open Beta and Installed the non-Beta and the same issue, so it is not DCS, mod ruled out

 

This is the first computer that I did not build since 1985 but my son made it for me, great PC, Windows 10 and verified all drivers and used some older drivers for 1080 Founders edition.... Windows update is almost up to date but I cannot download the new update, see news about Microsoft, Not something you want to do right now. the software is taken care of, I have been in IT my entire life so I do have some knowledge, but you guys have always given the best info as YOUR post shows!! THANKS AGAIN!

 

I removed driver previously and installed just the driver, also tried the clean install after removal, was not going to play with shadowplay due to all the posts about issues with DCS and VR but think that was in the past, still....with issues I am not going to take a chance.

 

 

The pictures on the desktop were not idle, I was flying in VR and used my phone to take the picture, no pause or changes as I needed a few minutes of flying to show results.

 

I have MSI afterburner and it does not help me as much as most. Pushing the clock and power give me a small increase, in testing rendering, went from windowed 500fps to 590fps and only translated to around 2 fps gain in DCS

 

ASW, you nailed my thoughts on your post about not being there yet!

 

 

BitMaster, SOLID info as well.... did it with the nonbeta install and same result, no mods, no skins, nothing, and fresh install.

 

David OC | Great question, I am using 1.2, keeping it light

 

OK, here are some of the things that helped.....

 

for some reason, my DCS monitor was set to 4K (have a 4K monitor) but for Oculus, KILLING the sim!

 

BIG FIX, Oculus tray tool had supersampling to 1 and changed to 0 and got rid of the "SHAKES" and gave me 10FPS more and became Silky Smooth at 40FPS

 

That is where I am now, checked BIOS settings for Ram, CPU and all looked good, enabled Max Performance in Windows 10 power scheme (CAN NOT BELIEVE IT MADE SUCH A DIFFERENCE IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT YET, DO IT!)

 

Those were the main bumps in speed, now jumping between 30FPS and 45FPS depending on the scenery, L-39 at Nellis before dusk with 50%clouds 4 dynamic aircraft taking off. VERY HAPPY it is so much better, not perfect but USABLE thanks to you guys. New User Never felt so welcome, Thank You so much as you gave me a lot to think about and helped a bunch even tho it may not seem like it. You guys got me going in the right direction.

 

Remember, always Break Ground and fly into the wind, NOT Break Wind and fly into the ground!!! Pilot Rule - 422

[Headwarp]

Thank you all for putting in so much effort...... I am now up to 40FPS but had very bad shaking like I had the jitters when moving head... seems I got it all resolved so it is usable. I will troubleshoot more when I have some time but let me answer those who were kind enough to take the time for me. I really appreciate you guys helping me like this, Thank You soooo much

 

Headwarp - speed slow on all aircraft, L-39, F/A-18, TF-51 but I do not fly Russian fighters yet so can't talk about those.

 

I am running Open Beta and Installed the non-Beta and the same issue, so it is not DCS, mod ruled out

 

This is the first computer that I did not build since 1985 but my son made it for me, great PC, Windows 10 and verified all drivers and used some older drivers for 1080 Founders edition.... Windows update is almost up to date but I cannot download the new update, see news about Microsoft, Not something you want to do right now. the software is taken care of, I have been in IT my entire life so I do have some knowledge, but you guys have always given the best info as YOUR post shows!! THANKS AGAIN!

 

I removed driver previously and installed just the driver, also tried the clean install after removal, was not going to play with shadowplay due to all the posts about issues with DCS and VR but think that was in the past, still....with issues I am not going to take a chance.

 

 

The pictures on the desktop were not idle, I was flying in VR and used my phone to take the picture, no pause or changes as I needed a few minutes of flying to show results.

 

I have MSI afterburner and it does not help me as much as most. Pushing the clock and power give me a small increase, in testing rendering, went from windowed 500fps to 590fps and only translated to around 2 fps gain in DCS

 

ASW, you nailed my thoughts on your post about not being there yet!

 

 

BitMaster, SOLID info as well.... did it with the nonbeta install and same result, no mods, no skins, nothing, and fresh install.

 

David OC | Great question, I am using 1.2, keeping it light

 

OK, here are some of the things that helped.....

 

for some reason, my DCS monitor was set to 4K (have a 4K monitor) but for Oculus, KILLING the sim!

 

BIG FIX, Oculus tray tool had supersampling to 1 and changed to 0 and got rid of the "SHAKES" and gave me 10FPS more and became Silky Smooth at 40FPS

 

That is where I am now, checked BIOS settings for Ram, CPU and all looked good, enabled Max Performance in Windows 10 power scheme (CAN NOT BELIEVE IT MADE SUCH A DIFFERENCE IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT YET, DO IT!)

 

Those were the main bumps in speed, now jumping between 30FPS and 45FPS depending on the scenery, L-39 at Nellis before dusk with 50%clouds 4 dynamic aircraft taking off. VERY HAPPY it is so much better, not perfect but USABLE thanks to you guys. New User Never felt so welcome, Thank You so much as you gave me a lot to think about and helped a bunch even tho it may not seem like it. You guys got me going in the right direction.

 

Remember, always Break Ground and fly into the wind, NOT Break Wind and fly into the ground!!! Pilot Rule - 422

 

I was asking you to look at your CPU usage per program on an idle desktop to rule out corrupted background software installs. dcs.exe was showing 24% cpu usage in your resource monitor while your PC was showing higher than that in the CPU graph.

 

On an idle desktop, with processes tab arranged by cpu usage in taskmanger, anything using more than 1-2% cpu would indicate some kind of faulty background software installation or a driver struggling with something. Fauly network driver might increase cpu usage when downloading, or that could even be a sata controller driver, which could do the same when transferring from one drive to another, etc etc. Hunting down best working drivers was a bit tricky with my 2500k rig, as the manufacturer hadn't released any new drivers since 2013, and some of them had issues with later versions of win10. I can't say for sure if 4th gen intel mobo's are still receiving bios and driver updates, but they are becoming dated. Thing made me learn how to use poolmon >.< Drivers aside, Anti-virus software doesn't even need to be malfunctioning to get a little greedy from time to time, including windows defender which I personally have permanently disabled. I do a factory reset once or twice a year to be malware free, or if I'm just stumped on problematic behavior.

 

Even on the 8th gen rig in my signature, because asus driver packages come in zip files I have run into corrupted driver/software package installs because I forgot to first "Unblock" the zip file before extracting. Some nifty new win10 childproofing feature. I'm not saying that this is your problem.. just what comes to mind when looking at your resource monitor based on my own experiences.

 

I also wasn't recommending afterburner to OC anything, just for the on-screen display to monitor your CPU/GPU usage in the game window, which the CPU can be broken down per core. It's extremely helpful in looking for bottlenecks imo if everything else is running right, and the hardware query polling rate can be set to update every 1ms, rather than its default of 1000ms, providing a more accurate representation of what your cpu is doing. Still have to have the headset off to watch it however.

 

Aside from that it's nice for being able to set a custom gpu fan curve to ensure the gpu isn't throttling. 10 series and newer gpu's will downclock slightly when you exceed certain temps afaik.

 

I'm just wondering what's causing your cpu graph in that screen shot to be at near the halfway mark if dcs.exe was showing only 24% of that usage, and if there's no issues there, I'm still curious if you're running into a wall @ 4.3ghz, or if perhaps 1.2PD in a rift is simply too high to maintain that 45fps minimum with a 1080. :) If that were the case I'd imagine you'd see 99% gpu usage all the time though, so I'm still leaning towards something to do with the cpu, whether it's simply a bottleneck or something within your operating system hogging cpu cycles where it shouldn't be.

 

What does your gpu usage look like now that you've gotten this far?

 

certain cloud density settings seem to cause me stutters where other weather settings don't.. I'm sure it's on the to-do list at ED, but they're working on a lot of goodies currently. So imo - test performance in clear skies, low to the ground, around the biggest clusters of buildings you can find. I like Dubai on the Persian Gulf map.

 

Thanks for giving me an idea of where you're at, experience wise. And glad you've found some improvement.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Headwarp

[Fredmi]

Thanks again for taking the time, Here is an update on the issue!

 

I could not reply because when I started from scratch checking the PC I found that just running DCS took ALL FOUR CORES to 100C!!!!! Did not turn back on for 2 days until I got a thermal paste.

 

Now it goes to 80C when flying DCS and it is BUTTER smooth!!!!!! I last checked my CPU temps about 1 year ago and now I can not cool it down. I can not run a CPU benchmark or the CPU hits 100c on the first core in 3 seconds. I hope it is not damaged but as of now I can not compile any videos or do anything processor intensive without having the Temps up. I have the stock Intel CPU cooler and am looking into a better option but at least I know what is going on, thermal throttling of the CPU. UGH, Thanks for the help guys and I am sorry as I should have looked at the overall system and not DCS. Benchmarks do not show the throttling unless I can see the speed of the processor, 100% processing power does not change when the clock changes so I did not notice the first 50 times. Sorry I wasted all of your time

[Headwarp]

Lol. I'm sorry nobody's asked you what your temps are to help you figure it out sooner. Maybe something in the conversation got you looking at things enough to find it though.

 

Personally I've been there. Neglected heatsink gets dirty as crap.. cpu starts throttling... replacing a dirty heatsink is what lead me to my first cpu overclock on my 2500k and it did pretty well for an air cooler.

 

if you have room for a 240mm radiator in your case and can afford it an AIO unit.

 

The cpu is probably not damaged, more like 120-130 degrees or something to literally melt the cpu but I wouldn't run it anymore until you address your cooling situation. Hopefully the PC shut down when you hit 100C right? Or at least throttled down to where you were below TJMax? That sounds a little high for TJmax. Best case scenario you, replace the heatsink and you're good, maybe clean the thing e'r now and then.

 

Most copper heatsinks + fan should be better than any stock intel cooler, but if you got the dough and room in your case for a decent AIO you'd probably be impressed with it.

 

Good luck.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Headwarp

[Fredmi]

The Thermal system in the I7 is set up to throttle the processor to a lower MHZ if the temp hits 100 degrees. I was at 80 degrees at idle!!! should be under 50 and 80 is HOT for full speed.

 

After compound, hit 100 during processor stress tests, re-applied

Hit 100 again, re-applied

 

now at 97 after 20 minutes at CPU 100%

 

Not happy but do not have the money right now, and if it is not going to blow I am ok with using it.

 

DCS uses very little processor compared, temp started at 44 degrees and went up to 82max in DCS, I am ok with that, but may need to throttle the CPU when video rendering.

 

1. going to wait for the compound to settle, day or two watching the temps and not getting it hot

2. stress test again and see where the temps are at

3. check video editing, if it goes past 95 at any point I HAVE to buy a new heat sync, the transfer is the issue, not cooling.

 

Thanks again Headwarp for all the help!

[Headwarp]

The Thermal system in the I7 is set up to throttle the processor to a lower MHZ if the temp hits 100 degrees. I was at 80 degrees at idle!!! should be under 50 and 80 is HOT for full speed.

 

After compound, hit 100 during processor stress tests, re-applied

Hit 100 again, re-applied

 

now at 97 after 20 minutes at CPU 100%

 

Not happy but do not have the money right now, and if it is not going to blow I am ok with using it.

 

DCS uses very little processor compared, temp started at 44 degrees and went up to 82max in DCS, I am ok with that, but may need to throttle the CPU when video rendering.

 

1. going to wait for the compound to settle, day or two watching the temps and not getting it hot

2. stress test again and see where the temps are at

3. check video editing, if it goes past 95 at any point I HAVE to buy a new heat sync, the transfer is the issue, not cooling.

 

Thanks again Headwarp for all the help!

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103274&ignorebbr=1 - my 2500k ran @ 4.5ghz on something very similar to this, i think I had a 212 hyper evo or something, although i was pushing it close with temps.. 85C average during stress testing (100% CPU usage). I eventually backed it down to 4.3ghz.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200113&ignorebbr=1

 

decent solution is like $15-$25 usd + tax/shipping. Worth the peace of mind imo.

 

I wouldn't judge you if you ate cheap noodles for a few days to accommodate the pricetag if money's that tight. Leaving the pc turned off until you can get one makes even more sense if that's the the case. I wouldn't risk it, as the cost of the cpu/mobo are way higher. I've also tended to avoid stock intel coolers like the plague. They just can't compete. I did verify your cpu's TjMax is 100*C but even so iff you can't keep it at 85C average or below at 100% cpu the situation becomes a bit urgent as far as pc hardware goes imo. DCS isn't putting your cpu at full load but the temps your hitting running software that will (like video rendering) is your system saying "I'm not healthy." A stable system could run stress testing software like prime95 indefinitely without throttling. I'll leave it there and wish you good luck!.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Headwarp

[Fredmi]

I understand very well what is happening, I understand what is dangerous and not... let me first explain what happened.

 

1. the issue is not a cpu cooler, The CPU "LID" is no longer conducting the way it should. (for this they use liquid metal for the best heat transfer possible if the heat does not leave the processor any heat sync is useless) it is not a cooling problem. It is a heat transfer to the Lid problem.

 

2. Stress test. You need to know what processor and tests the stress test run, it is real easy to overheat a processor if you try, Core Duo's had issues with floating point and if you ran a typical stress test in those days you had a good chance of burning up the CPU till the thermal limit was reached.

 

3. MY CPU NOW, I had temps that I did not like, 85 degrees is ok for a processor, it is not normal and not dangerous as you can run it for years without failure, it is not within the specs of Intel but that is just recommendations. I do not want my processor to go past 75 degrees at any time unless being stress tested. To achive this I needed to turn off the Turbo that will let the processor spike above the 4GHz limit and was getting it up to 96 degrees with video rendering but only 79 with all other intensive apps. After the Turbo was turned off, pc is 98 degrees with the stress test and 67 maximum with DCS and other intensive apps. The PC was hitting 100 degrees every day for months and I did not realize I was being thermal throttled and the processor is verified undamaged.

 

I cooled it considerably but it is warmer than I want it still. I do not have the money right now to fix but the fix is,

Remove Lid (special tool to do it with very little risk of damage.

Remove Liquid metal from CPU and bottom of the lid

apply liquid Metal (different method than CPU Grease)

 

The Stock CPU cooler is fine, if not Intel would have a huge RMA issue, it is not made for overclocking and everyone knows that it is not adequate for that.

 

My processor is much faster now it is not hitting the thermal ceiling and I will fix but as long as I am not harming the CPU and the pc is now much faster and working well, I can leave it the way it is and be very happy. End-user this would be a processor replacement and no tech is going to do this and be liable for the CPU. In other words, Every tech would say to anyone, the CPU is bad and needs to be changed. But this is not the case, it is fine and just needs TLC.

 

 

If I needed the liquid metal and the pc was running hot, I would not be running it at all like the 2 days I was waiting for the thermal grease, Thermal Paste, Heat transfer compound, Thermal compound, every tech has a different name. I went as far as to turn off the turbo because it was slightly higher than I liked it but know it was still safe for everything besides video rendering that does not use the GPU but more CPU intensive. I do not have the money right now for $25 Liquid metal and $30 for the CPU De-Lidder. If I was the least bit concerned I would not have power in the pc right now.

 

Like many other things in computers, there are many things that people think that are just wrong....Like Don't use a magnetic screwdriver to install a hard drive has to be my favorite statement that is BS.

 

Temps to fail a CPU should be at 180 to 200 degrees Celcius unless it is poorly designed. Only wildcards should fail before.

 

(I had better explain my screwdriver gripe before there is somebody calling BS. I had a Client tell me that he needed his drive wiped out. told him that I would format and fill it up with BS and then format it again and it will be clean but that was not good for him and I took an electromagnet and picked up the hard drive with the magnet for 10 sec holding the HDD in the air with just magnetism. Drive booted after!!!! I was stunned, then I wire-tied the trigger for the Magnet and hung it on a hook, drive slapped against it and I went to lunch for an hour, one hour later the drive still stuck in mid-air to the magnet and I put it down, unplugged it, reinstalled the drive AND IT BOOTED!!!! WTF?!?!? I was told not to use a weak magnetic screwdriver and an electromagnet could not kill this thing after an hour??? If I did not personally do it and someone told me that this happened I would call BS but I will always learn new things. Still blows my mind today.

 

Sorry so run on but you have been soo nice to help me thru this..... It is truly a pleasure sir and if there is ever anything I can do, or if you come out to Long Island at all, I am an aviation photographer in the area and would like to say thanks in person over a great day. Frederick Miller Fredmi@optonline.net

[Headwarp]

I understand very well what is happening, I understand what is dangerous and not... let me first explain what happened.

 

1. the issue is not a cpu cooler, The CPU "LID" is no longer conducting the way it should. (for this they use liquid metal for the best heat transfer possible if the heat does not leave the processor any heat sync is useless) it is not a cooling problem. It is a heat transfer to the Lid problem.

 

2. Stress test. You need to know what processor and tests the stress test run, it is real easy to overheat a processor if you try, Core Duo's had issues with floating point and if you ran a typical stress test in those days you had a good chance of burning up the CPU till the thermal limit was reached.

 

3. MY CPU NOW, I had temps that I did not like, 85 degrees is ok for a processor, it is not normal and not dangerous as you can run it for years without failure, it is not within the specs of Intel but that is just recommendations. I do not want my processor to go past 75 degrees at any time unless being stress tested. To achive this I needed to turn off the Turbo that will let the processor spike above the 4GHz limit and was getting it up to 96 degrees with video rendering but only 79 with all other intensive apps. After the Turbo was turned off, pc is 98 degrees with the stress test and 67 maximum with DCS and other intensive apps. The PC was hitting 100 degrees every day for months and I did not realize I was being thermal throttled and the processor is verified undamaged.

 

I cooled it considerably but it is warmer than I want it still. I do not have the money right now to fix but the fix is,

Remove Lid (special tool to do it with very little risk of damage.

Remove Liquid metal from CPU and bottom of the lid

apply liquid Metal (different method than CPU Grease)

 

The Stock CPU cooler is fine, if not Intel would have a huge RMA issue, it is not made for overclocking and everyone knows that it is not adequate for that.

 

My processor is much faster now it is not hitting the thermal ceiling and I will fix but as long as I am not harming the CPU and the pc is now much faster and working well, I can leave it the way it is and be very happy. End-user this would be a processor replacement and no tech is going to do this and be liable for the CPU. In other words, Every tech would say to anyone, the CPU is bad and needs to be changed. But this is not the case, it is fine and just needs TLC.

 

 

If I needed the liquid metal and the pc was running hot, I would not be running it at all like the 2 days I was waiting for the thermal grease, Thermal Paste, Heat transfer compound, Thermal compound, every tech has a different name. I went as far as to turn off the turbo because it was slightly higher than I liked it but know it was still safe for everything besides video rendering that does not use the GPU but more CPU intensive. I do not have the money right now for $25 Liquid metal and $30 for the CPU De-Lidder. If I was the least bit concerned I would not have power in the pc right now.

 

Like many other things in computers, there are many things that people think that are just wrong....Like Don't use a magnetic screwdriver to install a hard drive has to be my favorite statement that is BS.

 

Temps to fail a CPU should be at 180 to 200 degrees Celcius unless it is poorly designed. Only wildcards should fail before.

 

(I had better explain my screwdriver gripe before there is somebody calling BS. I had a Client tell me that he needed his drive wiped out. told him that I would format and fill it up with BS and then format it again and it will be clean but that was not good for him and I took an electromagnet and picked up the hard drive with the magnet for 10 sec holding the HDD in the air with just magnetism. Drive booted after!!!! I was stunned, then I wire-tied the trigger for the Magnet and hung it on a hook, drive slapped against it and I went to lunch for an hour, one hour later the drive still stuck in mid-air to the magnet and I put it down, unplugged it, reinstalled the drive AND IT BOOTED!!!! WTF?!?!? I was told not to use a weak magnetic screwdriver and an electromagnet could not kill this thing after an hour??? If I did not personally do it and someone told me that this happened I would call BS but I will always learn new things. Still blows my mind today.

 

Sorry so run on but you have been soo nice to help me thru this..... It is truly a pleasure sir and if there is ever anything I can do, or if you come out to Long Island at all, I am an aviation photographer in the area and would like to say thanks in person over a great day. Frederick Miller Fredmi@optonline.net

 

Hah sorry man I wasn't attempting to insult your intelligence or anything. Thanks for the photo on my pro and good luck with your thermal solution.

 

My comments were mostly just personal measures I've adopted in my pc builds and maintenance. Didn't mean to imply intel coolers wont do their job. Simply that aftermarket coolers tend to have a pretty significant drop in temps. Which does allow some headroom for faster clockspeeds, and extra performance is always nice. The advice of 85C or lower is just more "erring on the side of caution", leaves a little room for shifts in ambient temps or perhaps some dust on a cooler, as well as offering some peace of mind concerning the overall lifetime of components.

 

So i do now understand you're talking about the transfer of heat from silicon to spreader..

 

I'm a little curious as whether or not the cpu was delidded before hand or not.. and at the same time my mind just wants to say, if you're going to delid that sucker, throw a better cooler on it at the same time and turn that multiplier up!

 

But I digress lol. You sound like you have a plan.

[Fredmi]

I never took anything you said as an insult, you gave me great info and appreciate you taking the time. You are working with what little info I gave you and all of your info lead me in a direction to finding the issue. You were a great help! I did not delid it YET, coming soon as I am happy that it is not going to get damaged but want it running right and cool. I agree 100% and think even if I was not planning to delid, a better cooler is logical. Why chance a $500 CPU because of a cheap ass heat sync. I agree that this is a must, not right now but it has to be soon and can not be put off long.

 

You did far from insult me, you HELPED me a ton, Thank You for taking time when you had no reason to.