steelrfan85 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 How to I recover from a flat spin. It seems like as soon as I get into one there is no hope.
Deano87 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Throttles to idles. Full forward stick. Rudder opposite direction to spin. Ailerons SAME direction as spin. Wait and pray. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Emmy Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 + Idle on the outside engine .. Zone 5 on the inside engine. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
IceFire Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Officially, a fully developed flat spin = eject see NATOPS for determining a fully developed flatspin But, there is a way I think Hoser came up with it but you need a lot of altitude. First of all if you depart the aircraft LET GO of the controls, all of them. it will return to normal flight on it's own. If you try and yank it around when it's departing you are begging for a worse situation. If you do find yourself in that situation. *note you need about 30K of altitude for this to actually work. Step 1. Full aft sweep on the wings Step 2. full aft stick *so the wind can get past the giant stabilators and hit your rudder Step 3. once the nose drops and the turn slows try and see if your rudders bite. Step 4. recover as normal. In a real flatspin you'd likely lose both engines *even the F110's* from what I've heard. so going full afterburner on the inside engine wouldn't do you any good. I don't think that's modeled yet though TBH Edited March 16, 2019 by IceFire [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Matt "IceFire" Schuette Commander In Chief United States Atlantic Command Virtual Carrier Air Wing Eleven
tekrc Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 alternatively, try sweeping the wings back. nose should drop and make recovery way easier
Victory205 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Why do you guys post stuff that you just make up out of thin air? The answer has been right here for weeks- https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232275 Edited March 16, 2019 by Victory205 Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
IceFire Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Because your solution is the correct one. Eject, as I said above. But that wasn't the question the OP asked. So I answered what works in the sim. Since we don't go unconscious from eyeball out G. This method does work. Edited March 16, 2019 by IceFire [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Matt "IceFire" Schuette Commander In Chief United States Atlantic Command Virtual Carrier Air Wing Eleven
steelrfan85 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Posted March 16, 2019 What causes a flat spin and how do I prevent it)
Victory205 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 What causes a flat spin and how do I prevent it) Um... READ THIS! ;) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232275 Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Victory205 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Because your solution is the correct one. Eject, as I said above. But that wasn't the question the OP asked. So I answered what works in the sim. Since we don't go unconscious from eyeball out G. This method does work. Bro', I knew Hoser. He was a character who loved to mess with people. He was full of shit on some things. This is one of them, if he actually ever said it... It is safe to say that he was never in a flat spin in an F14 and no one on record that I can find ever swept the wings aft during a spin. Read the guide, it's all in there. Spread good gouge. Edited March 16, 2019 by Victory205 Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
IceFire Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Victory, I'm sorry - I got ahead of myself. I've read your post previously and I probably should have just redirected the answer to that. I read a lot of material on F-14's and I sometimes put it together incorrectly or misunderstand what I read with what I experience in DCS - that's my mistake. Thanks for the clarification and your service. And of course, all that you do for us enthusiasts. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Matt "IceFire" Schuette Commander In Chief United States Atlantic Command Virtual Carrier Air Wing Eleven
Victory205 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Victory, I'm sorry - I got ahead of myself. I've read your post previously and I probably should have just redirected the answer to that. I read a lot of material on F-14's and I sometimes put it together incorrectly or misunderstand what I read with what I experience in DCS - that's my mistake. Thanks for the clarification and your service. And of course, all that you do for us enthusiasts. No worries at all. Point people at the valid solutions, link to the "tips" papers when it makes sense. My entire focus is reducing frustration for EA customers by sharing useful data. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Victory205 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 I'm also about to put up a new Spin Recovery Paper in PDF form. Share the heck out of it. We can't afford to lose any more Tomcats! Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
jcdata Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Why do you guys post stuff that you just make up out of thin air? The answer has been right here for weeks- https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232275Your thread is gone Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Victory205 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Look up one message. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Topgun505 Posted March 26, 2019 Posted March 26, 2019 Link is broken Topgun505 Win 11 Pro, Intel Core i9-14900kF, Gigabyte RTX 4080 Super, 128 GB DDR5, Corsair Hx1000i, Alienware 34" 2K LED, TrackIR 5 Pro, WinWing F-16EX, WinWing F-15Ex throttle, VPC Warbird rudder, Thrustmaster MFDs x3, Black Hog box.
umkhunto Posted March 26, 2019 Posted March 26, 2019 Ironmike deleted that tread. It's probably due to the flaming that erupted when there was a guy that tried to argue that eyeball out G didn't exist and described a flat spin as nothing more than a merry-go-round in the sky, despite having SME's say otherwise and people actually doing the maths to prove he was wrong.
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