Thinking of buying, got a couple question...

[mehksauce]

I know its not a cas airframe, but more of.. pre planned targets, 1 pass, big boom, and rtb......

 

 

 

i dont know how i feel about this but i do find a joy and comfor inputing coords for wypt in the a10c/harrier and just wreaking havoc once i get there...

 

 

what my concern are

 

 

- how well is the A2G radar? i heard it sucks for ground, mainly use for sea... can it be viable as a ground radar were theres alot of buildings and trees around?

 

- sead... does this airframe offer seading capabilities?

 

- armaments.. can anyone give me a quick rundown of the payload i can carry with the viggen by using nato bombs/rockets, etc.. ( like the bk90 is the cbu 99 on steriod )

 

- fuel consumption.. does the viggen chugs fuel like the f18?

 

- for those a10c and harrier owners... what made you buy the viggen and what aspect made u main this module?

 

 

- fun factor.. what does viggen bring to the table? for example, the a10c has the brrrrt and a **** ton of payload for cas... the harrier brings vtol and stol.. making him very good for when theres farp nearby.. shoot a few mavs/sidearms... go land at the farp, re arm.. and be back within under 10 minute..

[viper2097]

The Viggen is not CAS, it is a Strike aircraft. Thats a big difference.

Low and sneaky in, boom-shakalaka with one pass, fast and high out.

 

* A2G radar is very well made. It is a joy to use. Heatblur did a real good job there. Look at different youtube videos, than you can see how the radar works.

* No SEAD capabilities. No HARM or similar weapons, RWR is very basic and coutnermeassures would be needed to cary in an extra pod. However, you can fly reconnaisance missions and find out in debriefing where the SAM stations are located.

* Come on, payload can be google withing secodns. Or looked by yourself in the mission editor. There are bombs similar to MK82/SE, radio controlled missiles, Mavericks, cluster bomb dispenser, two different cruise missiles, unguided rockets and a sidewidner derivate.

* Depends on how you fly it. With Autospeed at 550km/h it is not drinking that much, with AB in Zone 3 it drink slike the Mig21. Range is voerall ok and you don't feel any disadvantages.

* I bought the Viggen to support Heatblur. Then I noticed how perfect this plane is done. it is puire joy to fly and it is also very interesting because it is very different to all other planes.

 

The Viggen brings the reversal thrust on the table and also the possibility to land and start on normal streets. Also the cruise missiles are really cool.

 

For me, it was worth every cent.

[Cruiser18]

The Viggen is not a loitering aircraft like the Harrier and the A10, but it can do it if it has to since it can carry Mavericks.

 

The Viggen is mainly about planning your strike in advance, fly in below the radar, drop your bomb loads on the enemies and then fly out again full speed.

 

The biggest curve for the Viggen is that it's so differently designed compared the "standard" planes. F.eks. you don't get much in terms of hud elements. Many of the elements you get are context sensitive, like Time To Target progress bars and while they are incredibly useful, they also take time to learn how to use if you come from A-10 and Harrier.

 

The Viggen is a ton of fun though and I recommend getting it.

[TLTeo]

- A2G radar: excellent for picking out ships at sea, notable landmarks for navigation waypoints/fixes, and terrain avoidance at night. Can't reliably pick out ground targets unlike more modern radars (it's still late 60s technology after all)

 

 

- Eh, depends on what you expect from "SEAD". It's not close to what the Hornet and Harrier can do because the RWR isn't as good and it doesn't carry anti radiation missiles, but it does have some ELINT/EW capabilities and Mavericks, so it's probably about as good as an A-4 in that role. Out of the cold war birds it's probably the best one for the SEAD mission.

 

 

- A2A: gunpods, AIM-9s from the -B to the -M (RB-24 and -74 in Swedish terms, although the latter seems to not really work as an all-aspect missile for whatever reason), and if you're manly enough you can also use the RB-05.

 

A2G: dumb bombs (high and low drag), gunpods, unguided rockets, mavericks, RB-05 (a radio controlled missile roughly equivalent to the AGM-12 Bullpup), anti-ship missiles (one older and one newer, more capable variant), BK-90 standoff cluster munition dispensers

 

 

- Fuel consumption: with stage 3 afterburner on you'll run out of fuel very very fast, otherwise fuel consumption is no big deal for the aircraft's mission and the size of DCS maps. No air to air refueling capability though.

 

 

- I don't own the A-10 or Harrier so can't reply to this one

 

 

- Fun factor: freaking amazing. Does mach 1.3 at sea level clean, meaning it's faster than a Fishbed or Mirage. Can take off and land from a US carrier without using catapults or arrestor gear. Can pull 9g around Mach 0.8ish (and lose all its speed in the process, but still...). Neither the Harrier nor the A-10 can perform interdiction missions like the Viggen can. The systems are more rudimentary than modern airframes (probably in between the Tomcat and F5), but also very unique which makes learning them very fun.

 

 

Finally the module is almost complete, off the top of my head the only major things missing are a free full campaign (currently only a mini campaign is included, plus the Red Flag DLC), improvements to the recon modes, and a couple of animation (like the RAT). Before the release of the Tomcat I honestly thought the Viggen was the best module in DCS, I absolutely recommend it.

[TubeRider]

Once you learn the Nav inputs, weapon setups and what the different hud settings mean this is one of the best and easy frames to fly.

I'm a relative newcomer to DCS and i love the Viggen.

If you like skimming the tree line, hugging the ground through valleys then popping up and laying waste to ground targets this is fantastic fun.

Everyone should get a Viggen :)

[LastRifleRound]

The radar isn't very precise for picking out smaller landmarks and which buildings/vehicles it will show vs not show is a toss up. The zoomed in mode doesnt allow fixes. However this is all accurate to the real world aircraft.

 

It is an sbsolute joy to fly and the pilot interface and guage layout just make everything easy. The jet doesn't have ins, only a dead reckoning system so you actually need to fix the nav system regularly which is fun and unique.

 

There is a bug in the wind correction. It's 180 degrees off but if you manually enter the wind in the air for your tgt waypoint you can fix this.

 

I have the a10. I got the viggen because i wanted an aircraft with ag radar that you have to use and a nav system that requires a lot of interaction and HB delivered.

 

I wish there were better radar tutorials out there as they upgraded the system not too long ago and many of the existing ones on youtube are out of date. The maps are more complex and offer better quality than before.

 

It's a top notch module from a top notch dev with a mission and methods unique from all the other dcs aircraft. You should get it.

[mehksauce]

The radar isn't very precise for picking out smaller landmarks and which buildings/vehicles it will show vs not show is a toss up. The zoomed in mode doesnt allow fixes. However this is all accurate to the real world aircraft.

 

It is an sbsolute joy to fly and the pilot interface and guage layout just make everything easy. The jet doesn't have ins, only a dead reckoning system so you actually need to fix the nav system regularly which is fun and unique.

 

There is a bug in the wind correction. It's 180 degrees off but if you manually enter the wind in the air for your tgt waypoint you can fix this.

 

I have the a10. I got the viggen because i wanted an aircraft with ag radar that you have to use and a nav system that requires a lot of interaction and HB delivered.

 

I wish there were better radar tutorials out there as they upgraded the system not too long ago and many of the existing ones on youtube are out of date. The maps are more complex and offer better quality than before.

 

It's a top notch module from a top notch dev with a mission and methods unique from all the other dcs aircraft. You should get it.

 

 

what are some features we should be aware of with the radar?

[LastRifleRound]

It's great for ships and formations of vehicles and terrible for buildings. Has something to do with DCS wierdness and not really a problem in the real jet.

 

Cool trick: If you want to test the precision of your fixes (the precise center of the waypoint circle isn't obvious) add a waypoint boundary and now you have a line pointing to it.

 

The b scope isn't really useful. It has great resolution but you can't really do anything in that mode. This is true in the real jet supposedly but is an utterly baffling design decision by saab.

 

The radar is absolutely necessary in these conditions:

 

1. Deployment of bk90

2. Deployment of RB04

3. Deployment of RB15

4. Fixing nav system in the absence or innacuracy of TERNAV data

 

Ternav data may be innaccurate in these conditions:

 

1. High cruise altitudes (above 600m)

2. Flight over featureless terrain (desert/plains)

3. Flight over the ocean

 

In these cases you need to get a fix from a known location and i find the radar to be superior to the overfly method.

 

Finally the radar is use for ranging in several weapons employment scenarios and is much more accurate than sight triangulation (think various bomb rocket and gun employments).

[theOden]

My suggestion is that you wait 3 years.

[mehksauce]

 

Cool trick: If you want to test the precision of your fixes (the precise center of the waypoint circle isn't obvious) add a waypoint boundary and now you have a line pointing to it.

 

 

Finally the radar is use for ranging in several weapons employment scenarios and is much more accurate than sight triangulation (think various bomb rocket and gun employments).

 

 

 

what do you mean by these 2? what are the procedures for these?

[LastRifleRound]

what do you mean by these 2? what are the procedures for these?

 

The manual is available for free I'd check it out for specific procedures. There's also dozens of excellent youtube videos by laobi, grim reapers, xxjohnxx, leadnap and many others detailing procedures far better than I could in a forum post.

[mehksauce]

The manual is available for free I'd check it out for specific procedures. There's also dozens of excellent youtube videos by laobi, grim reapers, xxjohnxx, leadnap and many others detailing procedures far better than I could in a forum post.

 

whats the word term for them?