CCIP dropped GBUs will not buddy laze

[Banzaiib]

The title says it all. If you drop any GBU from the F-14 in CCIP mode (or the equivalent "pilot" mode title, I forget the technical term in the F-14), it will not hook up to a laser from another aircraft. If you CCRP / Auto mode drop the bomb by marking a target with the PAL button, the GBU will guide from an external laser appropriately.

 

I have tested this with A-10, Harrier, JTAC, and drone lasers. On the F-18, a CCIP GBU will hook up to the laser, but on the F-14, a CCIP dropped GBU will not guide.

 

Again, auto-mode dropped GBU's will respond to / guide from buddy lasers, but CCIP mode drops will not. I have no idea if this is realistic or not, but I suspect that it's wrong, since you can drop in pilot mode and guide the bomb with your own lantirn laser.

Edited April 30, 2019 by Banzaiib

[electricaltill]

Sorry to ask the obvious, but have you set the laser code correctly?

[Banzaiib]

Sorry to ask the obvious, but have you set the laser code correctly?

 

yes... tested back to back, where one GBU dropped in auto, the other in CCIP. Same laser code from the donor aircraft / jtac. The ccip bombs dropped from 15k ft. and land within 100 ft of the target, so they should be well within the FOV of the guidance sensor.

 

Also tested with GBU 24, 10, 12, and 16 in multiple flights.

Edited April 30, 2019 by Banzaiib

[Jester2138]

I can't offer anything specific here except to say that I've dropped GBU-12s on a JTAC's laser no problem from a Tomcat in CCIP.

[Strikeeagle345]

Works fine here. VF-41 has been doing this quite often without issue.

 

When in CCIP, make sure you drop it not too close and not too far away or it wont track. Has to be just right.

[shagrat]

Works fine here. VF-41 has been doing this quite often without issue.

 

When in CCIP, make sure you drop it not too close and not too far away or it wont track. Has to be just right.

Can you elaborate on the "just right" part? ;)

[Strikeeagle345]

Can you elaborate on the "just right" part? ;)

 

example: Target altitude is 6,000 ft, your altitude is 27,000-30,000. What we have found is pickling the GBU-XX when the target is about at your rudder pedals if you can imagine where it is located through the nose. The bombs drops right into the laser cone.:thumbup: Do it too early, the bomb will not fall into the lases cone and it will not track and fall short. Drop it too late past the pedals and the bomb will over fly the laser cone and fall long.

[shagrat]

example: Target altitude is 6,000 ft, your altitude is 27,000-30,000. What we have found is pickling the GBU-XX when the target is about at your rudder pedals if you can imagine where it is located through the nose. The bombs drops right into the laser cone. Do it too early, the bomb will not fall into the lases cone and it will not track and fall short. Drop it too late past the pedals and the bomb will over fly the laser cone and fall long.

Thanks! That's a nice hint... Thinking about it yesterday and it clicked. In theory we need to check the LANTIRN display, I guess.

There should be the current angle and distance. Should give us more or less precise parameters for an "optimum" point of release, that we need to achieve without the LANTIRN, but "rudder pedals" is a brilliant visual cue, already.

[Banzaiib]

Have you tried with buddy lasing? I droped about 100 GBUs this week with A-10's and Harriers buddy lasing and not a single one hooked up in CCIP mode.

 

"Not too close"???? How can the GBU be dropped too close to the target and not hook up to the laser? That just seems silly.

[shagrat]

Have you tried with buddy lasing? I droped about 100 GBUs this week with A-10's and Harriers buddy lasing and not a single one hooked up in CCIP mode.

 

"Not too close"???? How can the GBU be dropped too close to the target and not hook up to the laser? That just seems silly.

You have an idea how the seeker of a LGB works? Any idea at what angle the laser has to fire IRL for the seeker to track?

In DCS we at least don't have to worry that much about the direction the laser is fired from...

You would be astonished how many parameters need to be met for an LGB drop to work... ;)

[Chaogen]

Any resolution to this? I've been trying to drop with FACs lasing for me and me as FAC for other F-14s (The A-10,18 and Mirages worked). The GBUs will not track in CCIP mode. I have not tried the CCRP but I will. The bombs in CCIP mode landed only a couple of feet from the target from around 20k ft on average, which I'm sure would have been well within the cone. I have dropped GBU's with other F-14s lazing before and that worked just fine.

[TacoGrease]

Been dropping LGBs with buddy lasing in computer pilot mode without issue. Just gotta make sure the weapons are coded properly on the ground and fly over the correct target. Also, be advised that GBU-24s are bugged. Been outfitting with GBU-10s and 16s. Gotta coordinate with whomever is lasing (if it’s another plane) so that his laser will be active for the duration of the bomb fall.

Edited July 3, 2019 by TacoGrease

[Chaogen]

Been dropping LGBs with buddy lasing in computer pilot mode without issue. Just gotta make sure the weapons are coded properly on the ground and fly over the correct target. Also, be advised that GBU-24s are bugged. Been outfitting with GPU-10s and 16s. Gotta coordinate with whomever is lasing (if it’s another plane) so that his laser will be active for the duration of the bomb fall.

 

 

Right. We coordinated on the ground and verified laser codes. We're using FAC script on Helos that reports all the lasing unit's information (Also the laser is always on and will report if he loses the target), places a smoke marker on the target so there's no confusion, even though we were coordinating on TS, and using the GBU-16s. It works with all the other A/C Types dropping GBU's, so I'm trying to isolate if its something I'm missing in my checklist. Other than having Jester select the ordinance, setting the mech fuze, A/G Mode and ORD selected, is there anything else I'm missing?

[IronMike]

Right. We coordinated on the ground and verified laser codes. We're using FAC script on Helos that reports all the lasing unit's information (Also the laser is always on and will report if he loses the target), places a smoke marker on the target so there's no confusion, even though we were coordinating on TS, and using the GBU-16s. It works with all the other A/C Types dropping GBU's, so I'm trying to isolate if its something I'm missing in my checklist. Other than having Jester select the ordinance, setting the mech fuze, A/G Mode and ORD selected, is there anything else I'm missing?

 

 

 

 

do you maybe have a mission or video even? I can check then, I never had issues with LGB drops in the Tomcat either and I drop very nonchalantly, as I like to loft a lot, I just toss it in the general direction (still hitting parameters though).

 

By saying you verified laser codes, do you mean you set them via your kneeboard prior to take off on the ground?

[Chaogen]

do you maybe have a mission or video even? I can check then, I never had issues with LGB drops in the Tomcat either and I drop very nonchalantly, as I like to loft a lot, I just toss it in the general direction (still hitting parameters though).

 

By saying you verified laser codes, do you mean you set them via your kneeboard prior to take off on the ground?

 

Its on Multiplayer. Which in of itself could introduce several factors outside of the F-14 Module, consequently why replied to this tread and did not post a new thread in the bug section. Trying to make sure I didn't missing anything in my setup and the OP described very similar conditions to what I experienced. Hoping its just something I did. Yes, I verified on my kneeboard during startup, that it was set to the same code they were broadcasting ( 1688 ). Now I did not change the code since its already preset, which is another thing I'll try next time along with CCRP mode. I know the Harrier had issues with AGM-65Es and TPOD, that would not track on the preset code unless you changed it deliberately.

 

I have had other F-14s lase for me and that worked great. Its just when the FAC Helo is lasing when this happens (Have not tried other A/C. I did lase for a Mirage from a Harrier and that didn't work either). It may very well be a FAC script issue, but that's why I mentioned that it worked with other A/C's GBUs. Since GBU is from DCS, it makes me think that I missed a step.

 

For now I'm going to assume user error, since no one else is experiencing the same issue, and systematically rule out causes/conditions until I have a better picture of what it isn't. My goal is to get to a point where the FAC Helo can get close behind terrain and a Cat can loft/toss a GBU in from several miles away onto a SAM site.

[IronMike]

Its on Multiplayer. Which in of itself could introduce several factors outside of the F-14 Module, consequently why replied to this tread and did not post a new thread in the bug section. Trying to make sure I didn't missing anything in my setup and the OP described very similar conditions to what I experienced. Hoping its just something I did. Yes, I verified on my kneeboard during startup, that it was set to the same code they were broadcasting ( 1688 ). Now I did not change the code since its already preset, which is another thing I'll try next time along with CCRP mode. I know the Harrier had issues with AGM-65Es and TPOD, that would not track on the preset code unless you changed it deliberately.

 

I have had other F-14s lase for me and that worked great. Its just when the FAC Helo is lasing when this happens (Have not tried other A/C. I did lase for a Mirage from a Harrier and that didn't work either). It may very well be a FAC script issue, but that's why I mentioned that it worked with other A/C's GBUs. Since GBU is from DCS, it makes me think that I missed a step.

 

For now I'm going to assume user error, since no one else is experiencing the same issue, and systematically rule out causes/conditions until I have a better picture of what it isn't. My goal is to get to a point where the FAC Helo can get close behind terrain and a Cat can loft/toss a GBU in from several miles away onto a SAM site.

 

 

Ok, thank you for your reply. Yes, imo this sounds like a FAC script issue, I use autolaze script and that works fine. As for CCIP vs CCRP this should not make any difference, it just changes the release symbology (and thus tactics) for the pilot, but it doesnt change anything on the bomb.