AIM-9 Shoot Conditions

[imacken]

Can someone tell me what the AIM-9 'Shoot Conditions' are in terms of range? I thought it was target between max and min range, but struggling to see consistency in different missions.

[RED]

Can someone tell me what the AIM-9 'Shoot Conditions' are in terms of range? I thought it was target between max and min range, but struggling to see consistency in different missions.

Do you mean which requirements must be met to expect a certain probability of kill or do you mean that environmental conditions like air pressure affect your result in different mission with changing conditions?

[imacken]

Not sure. For quite some time now, I've just used the AIM-9 without thinking too much about what brings up 'SHOOT' on the HUD.

However, I was reading the manual, and on p188, it says 'SHOOT' will appear when the 'AIM-9 shoot conditions are satisfied'.

I am struggling to find consistency in the conditions that bring it up, so I am just wondering what they are supposed to be.

[Moafuleum]

As far as I remember it is the same as for every other missile. When you also have radar contact, then the shoot cue appears when the target is within R_max and R_noescape and the steering dot is within the circle, i.e. you have proper lead angle with respect to the target. If the range is between R_min and R_noescape and the dot is within the circle, then the shoot cue is flashing

[imacken]

As far as I remember it is the same as for every other missile. When you also have radar contact, then the shoot cue appears when the target is within R_max and R_noescape and the steering dot is within the circle, i.e. you have proper lead angle with respect to the target. If the range is between R_min and R_noescape and the dot is within the circle, then the shoot cue is flashing

Yep, this is all what I thought guys. I don't think it's working. See attachment. Shouldn't SHOOT be on there?

[imacken]

It's working OK in release version. Previous post was the OB.

See attachment from Release Version 2.5.4. I guess I'll post this in the bugs section then.

[=Panther=]

Yep, this is all what I thought guys. I don't think it's working. See attachment. Shouldn't SHOOT be on there?

 

Hard to tell from a static image, is the seeker caged or uncaged? I think it should be SHOOT condition either way but, something I have experienced before and I can't duplicate it accurately to report.

[imacken]

Hard to tell from a static image, is the seeker caged or uncaged? I think it should be SHOOT condition either way but, something I have experienced before and I can't duplicate it accurately to report.

In Radar ACM mode it uncages automatically.

[=Panther=]

In Radar ACM mode it uncages automatically.

 

Except it doesn't and that is when the SHOOT cue doesn't show up. That is the issue I have been trying to pin down.

[imacken]

Except it doesn't and that is when the SHOOT cue doesn't show up. That is the issue I have been trying to pin down.

It does for me. Still tracks the target when off the HUD. Never had an issue with this until today, but, for reasons I cannot explain, all seems to be working now. The same mission I took the OB screenshot (a few posts up) from is now showing the SHOOT cue under the correct circumstances. Steering dot just outside circle, no SHOOT, just inside, then the SHOOT is there now.

Going to look into this a bit further.

[=Panther=]

It does for me. Still tracks the target when off the HUD. Never had an issue with this until today, but, for reasons I cannot explain, all seems to be working now. The same mission I took the OB screenshot (a few posts up) from is now showing the SHOOT cue under the correct circumstances. Steering dot just outside circle, no SHOOT, just inside, then the SHOOT is there now.

Going to look into this a bit further.

 

I've noticed it when doing trade show demos at PAX or E3. When giving instructions on what to do and what should happen, and 6 out of 10 times it doesn't uncage, and the missile would be dead off the rail. I would see the guest experience it but I couldn't replicate it with any amount of steps, it was random at best.

[imacken]

I've noticed it when doing trade show demos at PAX or E3. When giving instructions on what to do and what should happen, and 6 out of 10 times it doesn't uncage, and the missile would be dead off the rail. I would see the guest experience it but I couldn't replicate it with any amount of steps, it was random at best.

My problem is different to that. I have never seen the uncage issue you are talking about, but I am, however, totally mystified with the SHOOT problem.

It literally seems to be random!

I can fly the same missions - e.g. the AIM-9 practice mission over Sochi - and in the exact same situation get different results. Sometimes the SHOOT appears and sometimes it doesn't!

I'm going to experiment with the 2.5.4 stable release and see if it exhibits the same issue.

[imacken]

Seems to be totally random whether this works or not. I'm going to post in the bugs section.

[Jak525]

Yeah definitely report this (provide a track, they like those). When within Rmax and Rmin with the steering dot inside the ASE circle the SHOOT cue should display.