8x JSOW Drop Sequence

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Hi,

 

For 8x JSOWs on double racks, I noticed the default bomb release sequence is more symmetrical if you start from station 8 (right end) but less symmetrical if you start from station 2 (left end). See screenshot.

 

I presume if I had to hit 8 targets with 8x JSOWs (double racked), I'd use sequence A and programme PP1 in the order of stations 8, 2, 7, 3 and then PP2 in the same order and make sure to drop them beginning with station 8. Sequence B would be too confusing.

 

Is this correct or a bug when starting on Station 2?

 

Thanks

 

 

[mongo52]

Assuming you got the B sequence from pressing step before the first release. The aircraft is still follow the same order over all just finishes up with what would have been first if you hadn't hit step.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Assuming you got the B sequence from pressing step before the first release. The aircraft is still follow the same order over all just finishes up with what would have been first if you hadn't hit step.

 

Yes you are right, thanks. I hadn't noticed that. But is it this way IRL?

 

Will have to remember to begin first JSOW release with the station that was first programmed (PP1). The L/R update should make it easier.

[Goa]

cant wait for left/right weapon update for jsow, as of now it is basically impossible to correctly use all the 8 bombs in a correct Pre-planned way.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

cant wait for left/right weapon update for jsow, as of now it is basically impossible to correctly use all the 8 bombs in a correct Pre-planned way.

 

I was thinking even with L/R indications, one still has to note programming and drop sequence to know when to hit PP2, esp if you didn't start the first drop with stn 8. Or does it matter? Do we need to press PP2 before releasing the next 4 of 8 JSOWs? Aren't the 8 coords already 'memorised' by each of the 8 JSOWs, unlike before the update?

[mongo52]

I was thinking even with L/R indications, one still has to note programming and drop sequence to know when to hit PP2, esp if you didn't start the first drop with stn 8. Or does it matter? Do we need to press PP2 before releasing the next 4 of 8 JSOWs? Aren't the 8 coords already 'memorised' by each of the 8 JSOWs, unlike before the update?

 

 

If left right works the way I undersand sta 2 L PP1 and sta 2 right PP1 will be different co-ordinates so you should be able to load PP1 on all 8 with different locations. Again that is my understanding of it.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Old post but I was trying with 8 x JSOWS again and noticed the drop sequence is forced. For example, if I start my first pickle at station 2 and then press the Step button to go back to station 2, my 2nd pickle will still drop a JSOW from station 7. The bomb drop sequence does not respect the Step button option. Is this to force better payload balance like IRL?

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Ok, I saw in another thread that it is bugged again. Hope they can fix it once and for all.

[Top Jockey]

The only way I managed to have a symetrical release sequence, was NOT leaving the stations boxed at the QTY (quantiy) JSOW page.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

The only way I managed to have a symetrical release sequence, was NOT leaving the stations boxed at the QTY (quantity) JSOW page.

 

So under QTY, you do not select the stations? Is that a bug or IRL procedure?

[Top Jockey]

So under QTY, you do not select the stations? Is that a bug or IRL procedure?

 

Let me remind that I'm yet very noob in JSOW employment.

(Only started trying it last week for the first times, in TOO + Manual mode.)

 

So, I believe you must first select every station / hardpoint, so you can input other necessary parameters - modes of employmnet, TOO reference, etc.

 

My problem is that I was getting an even more asymmetric sequence than those you mention:

- when only carrying 4 JSOWs total (1 per hardpoint), I was getting the hardpoint release sequence: 2 - 3 - 7 - 8 ... you can see it's an highly unbalanced (the worst) sequence.

 

After some tries, I managed to get the sequence: 2 - 8 - 3 - 7 un-selecting the stations / hardpoints, (not leaving them boxed at the QTY page) after doing the necessary inputs .

 

Either way, I'm yet to come to terms of the "quantity" and "multi" (for other ordnance) parameters.

Edited November 25, 2019 by Top Jockey

[Nagilem]

I was having a very hard time with these until I realized that you have to setup every station regardless of what you do with the tpod.

 

Want to drop them all in TOO mode? Go to every station and make them TOO before you hit the target area or be prepared to select the TOO OSB for every drop before selecting each target.

 

I don't know if this changed or not, but I think you can only do 1 PP target per station per PP mode. So for PP1 you, you can only setup coordinates for 4 targets - 1 for each station. Then the other 4 targets must be in PP2, again 1 per station. These targets are tied to the station, not the actual ordinance so if you pickle twice on station 8 in PP1 mode, you will be dropping 2 bombs on the same target. To drop 8 on different targets, I have to drop 4 bombs via PP1 then drop the other 4 via PP2 pushing the PP2 OSB on every release for the second 4.

 

Hopefully we get to a stable version of the GPS weapons soon. I like using them. but it isn't intuitive, and is very work intensive today with the extra OSB pushes.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

I was having a very hard time with these until I realized that you have to setup every station regardless of what you do with the tpod.

 

Want to drop them all in TOO mode? Go to every station and make them TOO before you hit the target area or be prepared to select the TOO OSB for every drop before selecting each target.

 

I don't know if this changed or not, but I think you can only do 1 PP target per station per PP mode. So for PP1 you, you can only setup coordinates for 4 targets - 1 for each station. Then the other 4 targets must be in PP2, again 1 per station. These targets are tied to the station, not the actual ordinance so if you pickle twice on station 8 in PP1 mode, you will be dropping 2 bombs on the same target. To drop 8 on different targets, I have to drop 4 bombs via PP1 then drop the other 4 via PP2 pushing the PP2 OSB on every release for the second 4.

 

Hopefully we get to a stable version of the GPS weapons soon. I like using them. but it isn't intuitive, and is very work intensive today with the extra OSB pushes.

 

How do you pickle twice on Station 8? In testing 8xJSOW, I find it always forces the sequence even if you use the Step button to go back to Station 8(L) for the 2nd pickle - it will disregard Station 8(L) and go to Station 2(L).

 

Cheers

[Nagilem]

First - I don't drop 2 bombs from the same station sequentially, I ripple 4 using the preprogrammed sequence with coordinates I program for pp1, then cycle through again pressing pp2 before every drop. I plan the targets I want to hit sequentially as I program the coordinates. I've only used the step feature to program the coordinates because I don't want the extra overhead that comes with trying to find a particular station and coordinates while in hot. And as you've already said, DCS currently wants to enforce a sequence for dropping that cannot be changed or broken.

 

From what I have seen, the coordinates are tied to a pp element and station, not to a particular bomb. So on station 8 I could have two jdam and have coordinates in pp1 and pp2 that could be sent to either the left or right bomb at drop time. The bomb knows only what pp is selected, and will use those coordinates if a pickle pulse is sent. If I leave pp1 up on the mfd on station 8 and go through the sequence coming back to station 8, I can choose to either drop the second bomb on pp1 if I leave it selected, or pp2 if I change it.

 

unfortunately, I don't know if that is how it is in the real jet. I suspect it may be as the instability of having all bombs on one side would likely result in a unrecoverable state if one wing is totally clean with the other fully populated.

[Shuenix]

RedKite have made a new tutorial on the subject:

 

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

First - I don't drop 2 bombs from the same station sequentially, I ripple 4 using the preprogrammed sequence with coordinates I program for pp1, then cycle through again pressing pp2 before every drop. I plan the targets I want to hit sequentially as I program the coordinates. I've only used the step feature to program the coordinates because I don't want the extra overhead that comes with trying to find a particular station and coordinates while in hot. And as you've already said, DCS currently wants to enforce a sequence for dropping that cannot be changed or broken.

 

From what I have seen, the coordinates are tied to a pp element and station, not to a particular bomb. So on station 8 I could have two jdam and have coordinates in pp1 and pp2 that could be sent to either the left or right bomb at drop time. The bomb knows only what pp is selected, and will use those coordinates if a pickle pulse is sent. If I leave pp1 up on the mfd on station 8 and go through the sequence coming back to station 8, I can choose to either drop the second bomb on pp1 if I leave it selected, or pp2 if I change it.

 

unfortunately, I don't know if that is how it is in the real jet. I suspect it may be as the instability of having all bombs on one side would likely result in a unrecoverable state if one wing is totally clean with the other fully populated.

 

Thanks for the insight in italics. I guess if I follow the 8 x JSOW in the strict forced order (PP mode), I'll be fine. It's gets tricky or impractical when you try 4 of 8 JSOWS that are not in that order consecutively. For example, you can't drop 4 bombs from station 2 and 8 without losing bombs from stations 3 and 7 in the process.