TGP zoom on Antenna Elevation reversal option

[Ziptie]

Great. What has this got to do with wanting the ability to reverse the TGP zoom direction in relation to radar elevation?

 

Hopefully to help someone in the future who is struggling with an issue in trying to find a good, workable, solution to binding keys/functions/features in the Hornet with the TMW HOTAS (maybe even an option for the OP if he doesn't have the F18 stick). Since it has expanded in discussion.

 

You are a gem, very pleasant.

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Ziptie]

The problem is that there is no TGP zoom keybinding, it is using the radar elevation HOTAS binding. I have it set to the coolie button on throttle.

 

 

 

So I have the same issue, always pressing the wrong way to zoom in/out.

 

 

 

The solution is to map to either TMS or DMS buttons (too late for me as I already have them memorized for TDC/weapon select) OR

Give us an option in settings to map TGP zoom

 

As in a separate key bind rather than a shared key bind with the radar elevation up/down, correct? That I would agree and support, and that would be the most simple solution to the OP's issue (and others). That was you could invert them without impacting any other systems functionality.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

Edited August 25, 2019 by Ziptie

[Dagger71]

As in a separate key bind rather than a shared key bind with the radar elevation up/down, correct? That I would agree and support, and that would be the most simple solution to the OP's issue (and others). That was you could invert them without impacting any other systems functionality.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

 

 

 

I think that is all the OP is requesting. I wouldn't want them to reverse the current keybinding because then anyone using TMS/DMS buttons will also have their bindings reversed.

 

 

 

Just give us an TGP zoom keybinding and we can do what we want with it. Not a major bug or game breaking, but would be nice to have eventually.

[Deano87]

Hopefully to help someone in the future who is struggling with an issue in trying to find a good, workable, solution to binding keys/functions/features in the Hornet with the TMW HOTAS (maybe even an option for the OP if he doesn't have the F18 stick). Since it has expanded in discussion.

 

You are a gem, very pleasant.

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

The OP isn’t asking for help in binding his controls so it works right. He’s asking for an option to reverse the relationship between radar elevation and TGP zoom so that people have more freedom to bind as they want so it works vaguely intuitively.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Deano87

[Ziptie]

I think that is all the OP is requesting. I wouldn't want them to reverse the current keybinding because then anyone using TMS/DMS buttons will also have their bindings reversed.

 

 

 

Just give us an TGP zoom keybinding and we can do what we want with it. Not a major bug or game breaking, but would be nice to have eventually.

 

Yeah, when it was stated (in OP) as "reversing" that is where my line(s) of questioning originated, and have been in reference to. Separate key binding for the radar elevation and TGP zoom certainly seems to be logical, probably not difficult to achieve, and could give more options for those who are lacking buttons.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Deano87]

Yeah, when it was stated (in OP) as "reversing" that is where my line(s) of questioning originated, and have been in reference to. Separate key binding for the radar elevation and TGP zoom certainly seems to be logical, probably not difficult to achieve, and could give more options for those who are lacking buttons.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

There is no need for separate TGP bindings. Just add a tickbox under the special options for the hornet that says “TGP Zoom Reverse” and when it’s ticked the the radar elevation control zoom the opposite way on the TGP. Simples. The last thing we want is more keybindings. We already need two for radar elevation, I like the fact that it doubles as TGP zoom, I just don’t like that the direction is wrong.

[Ziptie]

The OP isn’t asking for help in binding his controls so it works right. He’s asking for an option to reverse the relationship between radar elevation and TGP zoom so that people have more freedom to bind as they want so it works vaguely intuitively.

 

The reason I may come across as salty is because the first thing you said was “Don't understand this request/complaint at all. It works as it does on the real aircraft.” the first of those two sentences means you can’t understand that other people might not have the same peripherals as you, or use different bindings. And the second sentence makes no sense since you don’t bind it as per the real aircraft anyway, you have all your F-18 bindings set up like the A-10C, which while it may work for you, is pretty unusual as most people here try and mimic the real control layout as much as possible. Try and bind it to the coolie hat and then tell me it works as per the real aircraft or indeed intuitively. You’re essentially saying “you’re using it wrong” when we’re asking for a feature to make it easier for more people to use in a vaguely intuitive manner.

 

:thumbup:

 

Well, since the throttle isn't the F18 throttle, then we are all making adjustments aren't we?

 

As advertised and stated before - wasn't trying to offend and didn't understand the issue he was having and in the OP, he didn't state that it was bound to his coolie hat switch, he was referencing the TDC slew / mini stick. Didn't he....? Looks like it. And everyone will inevitably have different bindings for their controls, even if they are using the TMWH for the A10C in DCS, as some might not have all the toggle switches bound for their real life use (fuel, etc).

 

Why don't we just move right along eh? I'm good bud, hope you are too. Seriously.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Deano87]

:thumbup:

 

Well, since the throttle isn't the F18 throttle, then we are all making adjustments aren't we?

 

As advertised and stated before - wasn't trying to offend and didn't understand the issue he was having and in the OP, he didn't state that it was bound to his coolie hat switch, he was referencing the TDC slew / mini stick. Didn't he....? Looks like it. And everyone will inevitably have different bindings for their controls, even if they are using the TMWH for the A10C in DCS, as some might not have all the toggle switches bound for their real life use (fuel, etc).

 

Why don't we just move right along eh? I'm good bud, hope you are too. Seriously.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

I edited my post to remove the snipe. Instant regret after posting. Sorry.

 

He would have the exact same issue with the TDC slew though. As it’s on the back of the throttle which is what causes the problem as the up-down/near-away relationship gets flipped.

[Ziptie]

I edited my post to remove the snipe. Instant regret after posting. Sorry.

 

I don't take offense to those things, only when someone talks about my family or country. I am good sir, you are good sir. We are all good.

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Deano87]

I don't take offense to those things, only when someone talks about my family or country. I am good sir, you are good sir. We are all good.

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

Good. Sorry again.

 

Anyway next time you’re near your system, try swapping your tms and coolie hat bindings for each other while using the TGP for a few mins. You’ll instantly understand the OPs wish for the option to reverse it.

[Ziptie]

Good. Sorry again.

 

Anyway next time you’re near your system, try swapping your tms and coolie hat bindings for each other while using the TGP for a few mins. You’ll instantly understand the OPs wish for the option to reverse it.

 

In just doing it via muscle memory, I can totally understand how that would make things incredibly difficult. Even with the TDC slew / mini stick as the mapping, seems like it would be incredibly difficult and could understand the desire to swap it. Certainly with the coolie hat switch, it would seem super difficult. Certainly makes sense, and if a check box / toggle box could be added, seems that it would fix the OP's issue. I think for the other, who had mentioned individual mapping option, that might help that person as well.

 

I'd like to try some different mapping options as well, regarding moving the weapon select to the Warthog stick "CMS" to more closely replicate the F18 stick - along with some other mapping changes/adjustments - but my time is so limited now to get seat time in that sim, it is a struggle.

 

The reasoning behind not being able to get the seat time I used to in DCS however, is something that I am very much ok with as it is one seriously mega opportunity!! :pilotfly:

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Dagger71]

The OP isn’t asking for help in binding his controls so it works right. He’s asking for an option to reverse the relationship between radar elevation and TGP zoom so that people have more freedom to bind as they want so it works vaguely intuitively.

 

 

You can already reverse it.. but unfortunately it is also bound to radar elevation.

 

 

 

So essentially he would like the option to bind his TGP separately. Just need ED to give option to a separate keybinding.

 

 

Simple. This isn't rocket science.

[Deano87]

You can already reverse it.. but unfortunately it is also bound to radar elevation.

 

 

 

So essentially he would like the option to bind his TGP separately. Just need ED to give option to a separate keybinding.

 

 

Simple. This isn't rocket science.

 

What? Read what I said, “reverse the relationship between radar elevation and TGP zoom” that isn’t currently reversible as far as I know. You can reverse the bindings. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We don’t need new bindings for TGP zoom. We already have them. All we need is a checkbox in the special options to reverse the relationship between the two modes, so “radar elevation down/TGP zoom out” becomes “radar elevation down/TGP zoom in” etc.

 

I also don’t have space for 2 extra bindings for TGP Zoom, if I did I could just bind radar elevation to them but the opposite way round and then use those to zoom the TGP, and the coolie hat to tilt the radar.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Deano87

[Guppy]

+1 for the request from the OP - I experience the same issue.

 

This thread went completely bonkers.