Russian maneuver

[FWT]

I was watching this vid on youtube though i cant remeber what its called. Where a su-30something did a loop the loop then another with a shorter turning circle as soon as the loop was complete. I'd like to know what this maneuver is called, is it possible in lomac and is it any good in a dogfight.

Thanks. I'll try and find the vid.

[FWT]

Look when it gets to 1:39.

[graywo1fg]

not possible in Lockon because that is a Su-37 which is a thrust vectoring version of the SU-27

[FWT]

Do you have answers to my other 2 questions?

[VMFA117_Poko]

Hmm... It's combo Loop+Kulbit. Don't know if maneuver has own name. But I might be wrong.

[HungaroJET]

Yes it's called Kulbit...search at youtube...U will find a lot: Su-30, Su-37, F-22 :lol: & more

[FWT]

Kulbit...yeah ive heard that before somewhere. But is this any good i a dogfight situation?

[HungaroJET]

Kulbit...yeah ive heard that before somewhere. But is this any good i a dogfight situation?

 

In real dogfight ? I dont think so ..mayB if U have enough time to set eyes on, aim, locking on and shot a missile to the enemy back of you while you are spinning.

 

But it's weak attempt already in defeated position.

 

 

 

(Except in turn fight when the enemy isnt on your 6 but relative top of you.)

 

IMO

[The_GOZR]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHbh4jxzALw&watch_response

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEsHgQW8TZk

 

 

Looks very good actually

[Majesco]

yeah, it's Kulbit or "Kulbitinscy" maneuver is a complex maneuver, i think it's good for dogfighting

 

The "Kulbitinscy" (or simply, "Kulbit") is an aerial maneuver developed by Russian pilots, in which the aircraft performs an incredibly tight diametered loop, often not much wider than the length of the aircraft itself. It is an example of post-stall maneuvering, a type of supermaneuverability

The Kulbit drastically decelerates the aircraft and could theoretically be used to cause a pursuing aircraft to overshoot its target. The maneuver is closely related to the famous Pugachev's Cobra maneuver, but the Kulbit completes the loop that the Cobra almost immediately cuts off.

 

 

For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_combat_maneuvering

 

The following aircraft are currently known to be able to execute the "Kulbit": MiG-29OVT, Su-30MKI, Su-37 and F-22 Raptor

[HungaroJET]

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEsHgQW8TZk

 

 

Looks very good actually

 

The landing didn't look realistic.

 

Moreover explosions was ridiculous especially with guns.

 

 

To Majesco: Overshot ?

In gunfight ?

 

It's not the TOP GUN movie.

 

Can't do this with a good pilot. Coz he wont fly TOO close but on the other side U will show

larger surface to aim on it.

 

...& U lost all of your NRG with this maneuver...so U will have only 1 chance to try Kulbit

[The_GOZR]

Yeap Xbox what do you expect.. ;) but the planes and shades look GOOD.

[The_GOZR]

Well here a more realist sigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usM4XRY1HM8

[FWT]

Hey thanks guys:)I was wondering about its effectivness too.

Quote from wikipedia:

Use of the Kulbit maneuver has never been recorded under actual combat conditions, and its practicality in such a situation is still under debate. However, even the most skeptical observers generally acknowledge its effectiveness as an impressive airshow stunt.

[D-Scythe]

The "Kulbitinscy" (or simply, "Kulbit") is an aerial maneuver developed by Russian pilots, in which the aircraft performs an incredibly tight diametered loop, often not much wider than the length of the aircraft itself. It is an example of post-stall maneuvering, a type of supermaneuverability

The Kulbit drastically decelerates the aircraft and could theoretically be used to cause a pursuing aircraft to overshoot its target.

 

The usefulness of low-speed/post-stall maneuvers in modern aerial warfare is limited at best. With the advent of modern BVR tactics (which emphasize going fast) and next-generation SRAAMs, chances are that the victor of a dogfight will be decided long before anyone gets anywhere close to approaching stall-speed.

 

Personally, I can't see any pilot eagerly waiting for his chance to pull a Kulbit except in a one-vs-one guns fight.

[FWT]

Yeah it'll be used in gunfights probably to make the bandit overshoot or something

[Majesco]

if i'm not mistaken, we've ever had a small game named Su-30MKI on Lockonskins.co.uk, the MKI in that game can execute Kulbit maneuver and more (4 aerobatic maneuvers, not sure)

[VMFA117_Poko]

Yeah I remember - with similar to Flanker graphics. How was it called? "Supermaneuver"?

[Camoman]

Yeah it'll be used in gunfights probably to make the bandit overshoot or something

 

Possible if the two fighters are in tight scissors or alike. If the shot is missed then u can kiss any advantage goodbye since the defender will extend and likely re-engage in a neutral if not positive energy position. The attacker which has pulled this move will be at a standstill and need to forfiet a substantial height to regain any speed he had (not alot going into this sort of manouver).

 

As I see it, it is a good move in a low speed situation to gain a snapshot, However, if u miss you can kiss any advantage goodbye since u will be in an extremely slow position relative to the tradtional high G snapshot in which you can relieve and retain speed. Until you can regain any energy and speed your opponent (now on the offensive) will have a substantial amount of time to capitalise and position for a pass on your floating arse.