When will we be getting Navgrid?

[WHOGX5]

We've been waiting for over 6 months since release now and I still haven't heard a single peep regarding the Navgrid function. What is its status? I love the F-14 and I don't want to come off as an entitled little prick here, but the Navgrid function is sorely lacking. It severely complicates everything from bogey dopes to declares and raygun calls when you can't cross-reference using bullseye, especially during larger missions. A small update or ETA would be much appreciated!

[mattag08]

Yeah, my unit has 20+ friendly aircraft and about as many enemy aircraft airborne during our missions. Not being able to reference bullseye is a big detriment for the F-14 guys like me when compared to our F/A-18 friends.

[DUSTY]

Would also love to hear any info about this development.

[AcroGimp]

Doesn't NAVGRID require the PTID which we don't have and will not get?

 

 

DISCO

[captain_dalan]

We've been waiting for over 6 months since release now and I still haven't heard a single peep regarding the Navgrid function. What is its status? I love the F-14 and I don't want to come off as an entitled little prick here, but the Navgrid function is sorely lacking. It severely complicates everything from bogey dopes to declares and raygun calls when you can't cross-reference using bullseye, especially during larger missions. A small update or ETA would be much appreciated!

 

 

I've been using a custom fixed point as makeshift bullseye indicator:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by captain_dalan

[AcroGimp]

I thought the Defended Point waypoint (DP) could be used to establish a rudimentary Bullseye so that you can see it on the TID and interpolate bogey/bandit/friendly location using aircraft or ground reference display.

 

And again, I am under the impression NAVGRID requires PTID which is not part of our A+ (nee F-14B) configuration.

 

DISCO

[captain_dalan]

I thought the Defended Point waypoint (DP) could be used to establish a rudimentary Bullseye so that you can see it on the TID and interpolate bogey/bandit/friendly location using aircraft or ground reference display.

DISCO

 

Any of the nav points can used. I.E. the fixed point will show (as in the video) as na x on your TID.

 

And again, I am under the impression NAVGRID requires PTID which is not part of our A+ (nee F-14B) configuration.

DISCO

 

I have no idea on that.

[sLYFa]

Doesn't NAVGRID require the PTID which we don't have and will not get?

 

 

DISCO

 

no, NAVGRID is part of the "normal" TID

[AcroGimp]

no, NAVGRID is part of the "normal" TID

Interesting, since all the images of NAV GRID in the NATOPS (NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1) are only shown in reference to the PTID, and with reference to PTID data entry and the expanded waypoint database and Mission Computer that was part of that upgrade. See Section 25 of the NATOPS.

 

NAV GRID only appears to show up one time, in copy-paste text (from the NATOPS) in the HeatBlur manual, it does not appear to be addressed as a planned HB function, and BULLSEYE does not appear in the HB manual at all.

 

I'd be happy to see that functionality since PTID brings JDAM capability, and improved flight planning among other things but I don't think we see it unless HB bless us with a -D model (yes I know later A+'s had PTID).

 

DISCO

[Karon]

I can't wait for the NAVGRID as well. At the moment is quite easy to eyeball it but lacks precision over long distances.

[captain_dalan]

This is a genuine question:

What use would be the bullseye calls, if no bullseye reference is available? Or in other words, how was bulls used in the old times, before bullseye indicators were available? Did you pull out a map and triangulate your position, compare it to the bulls and then calculate the call?

[Home Fries]

This is a genuine question:

What use would be the bullseye calls, if no bullseye reference is available? Or in other words, how was bulls used in the old times, before bullseye indicators were available? Did you pull out a map and triangulate your position, compare it to the bulls and then calculate the call?

 

Mark Bulls on your chart, draw cardinal and semicardinal headings with the local MAGVAR (usually just extend your protractor from the nearest TACAN on the chart to reference Mag North), and draw range rings using a drafting compass. From there, it's not too difficult to approximate bulls within SWAG range.

[sLYFa]

Interesting, since all the images of NAV GRID in the NATOPS (NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1) are only shown in reference to the PTID

 

DISCO

 

You are most likely referring to the NATOPS for the upgrade F-14B with Sparrowhawk, PTID, EGI and what not. This is not the plane we have in DCS. Anything written there about navigation capabilities is as useful as something from a hornet manual.

Again, the non-PTID tomcat (the one we have in DCS) does have NAV GRID functionality, which is also independent of any nav-database.

The bullseye grid display (i.e. having bearing/distance from a track file to a reference point displayed) is a different mode and I'm not sure if the non-PTID birds had that.

[captain_dalan]

Mark Bulls on your chart, draw cardinal and semicardinal headings with the local MAGVAR (usually just extend your protractor from the nearest TACAN on the chart to reference Mag North), and draw range rings using a drafting compass. From there, it's not too difficult to approximate bulls within SWAG range.

 

Back in my F4 days, i did something similar on a large notebook (in square format of course). Even though the Viper had both a bulls indicator and bulls reference point, i found it fun (and challenging) to do the calculations on the fly and (literally) on your knee :thumbup:

[QuiGon]

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