Selecting multiple targets in TWS mode close together

[tmdgm]

Is there an easier way to select multiple targets in TWS mode? I almost don't use tws because I select a target as primary, and then try to select the other members of the flight and I always end up switching to STT mode cuz I selected the primary again.

 

Also, what's more frustrating is even in STT mode, when there are alot of jamming signals combined with a non jammed signal, I try to lock on the non jammed signal since he is usually closer and the highest threat, but if it's in the same 'plane' as a HOJ signal on the radar display, the radar locks the HOJ instead of the non jammed plane. I always have to turn my nose or something to get the non jammed plane off of the same 'plane' as the HOJ signal.

[S77th-konkussion]

I'm assuming you know how to zoom in on the radar display- you gotta be quick. Hopefully you also have a joystick profile that is sensibly laid out so that you can easily use these controls- and not have to perform awkward hand movements to do simple things.

[D-Scythe]

Is there an easier way to select multiple targets in TWS mode? I almost don't use tws because I select a target as primary, and then try to select the other members of the flight and I always end up switching to STT mode cuz I selected the primary again.

 

Also, what's more frustrating is even in STT mode, when there are alot of jamming signals combined with a non jammed signal, I try to lock on the non jammed signal since he is usually closer and the highest threat, but if it's in the same 'plane' as a HOJ signal on the radar display, the radar locks the HOJ instead of the non jammed plane. I always have to turn my nose or something to get the non jammed plane off of the same 'plane' as the HOJ signal.

 

Yeah, unfortunately that's how it's gonna stay in the sim. Just adapt - I'm sure the real APG-70 is a lot more user friendly.

[Guest Crazy_Eyes]

I have also found this a problem but like Konkussion stated zoom right in to the display and lock right onto the edge of the contact.

[SUBS17]

Yeah, unfortunately that's how it's gonna stay in the sim. Just adapt - I'm sure the real APG-70 is a lot more user friendly.

 

Yes it does IRL there is a button which zooms in on the bugged target in the F-16 its EXP which expands to the area around the bugged tgt so you can engage 2 simultaneously with TTS or 4 with TWS mode.(in close formation):thumbup: I think F-15 would be fairly similar don't know about the migs though.

[tmdgm]

I'm assuming you know how to zoom in on the radar display- you gotta be quick. Hopefully you also have a joystick profile that is sensibly laid out so that you can easily use these controls- and not have to perform awkward hand movements to do simple things.

 

Um, by zooming, you mean changing the range of the radar display from 10, 20 40 80 160 etc? If not, I'm gonna feel pretty dumb:doh:

[S77th-GOYA]

Zooming (in FC) doesn't really help but yes, you should really be in the lowest range setting possible to try and get some definition between the a/c in the flight. Bugging four fighters in a flight is pretty much impossible. It seems like it used to be easier.

 

I made a TWS tutorial track but it only plays on version 1.11. It is available at Lockonfiles.com. http://www.lockonfiles.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=408#dl

[tmdgm]

Zooming (in FC) doesn't really help but yes, you should really be in the lowest range setting possible to try and get some definition between the a/c in the flight. Bugging four fighters in a flight is pretty much impossible. It seems like it used to be easier.

 

I made a TWS tutorial track but it only plays on version 1.11. It is available at Lockonfiles.com. http://www.lockonfiles.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=408#dl

 

Ok, so zooming does mean just changing range? Whew.

[GGTharos]

The F-15 no longer uses RAID, which is what you are describing - RAID apparently did not work out so great, and they now use RGH - but there's no information that I know of of just how that mode works.

 

Yes it does IRL there is a button which zooms in on the bugged target in the F-16 its EXP which expands to the area around the bugged tgt so you can engage 2 simultaneously with TTS or 4 with TWS mode.(in close formation):thumbup: I think F-15 would be fairly similar don't know about the migs though.

[S77th-konkussion]

Um, by zooming, you mean changing the range of the radar display from 10, 20 40 80 160 etc? If not, I'm gonna feel pretty dumb:doh:

 

Yep- that's what I meant. To increase separation between the contacts.

 

Also- keep in mind that the TWS system (in LOMAC) is not really all that great for maneuverable fighters. It's meant to be used on larger more cumbersome aircraft that are more likely to continue a predictable course.

[SUBS17]

The F-15 no longer uses RAID, which is what you are describing - RAID apparently did not work out so great, and they now use RGH - but there's no information that I know of of just how that mode works.

 

No its not RGH (range grated high) search modes but the expand is the equivalent to Sort submode.:smilewink: I wonder if the SU27 has that feature IRL? Sort is not the same as zoom as it is modeled in lockon, in zoom its adjusting radar range in lockon where the Sort button is zooming in on a particular area which you have locked up in TWS mode. BTW RAID mode is still used in F-16s (Range While Search) although in Falcon I normally just use TWS mode as it shows the tgt vectors and velocity without having to lock them up in RWS-SAM mode.

[GGTharos]

I don't know if the Su-27 or MiG-29 has such a mode. I don't recall seeing anything that would do bandit breakout, but remember that those aircraft had their radars designed to deliver missiles to a single target, not to be particularly efficient at search.

[MarkuzJuniuz]

Old thread and hoping to resurrect it: are there plans to improve this? Like EXP mode or a "step-thru bug" button which locks the next nearest bug like Falcon BMS? I have no idea what they have in the real F-15c represented in FC I really wish it has something so that I can at least scare or force the two Su27's guarding the A-50 in the campaign mission 3 to go defensive. It's so hard to do TWS with bunched up targets.

 

Please be gentle, I'm a noob. :)

Edited July 31, 2013 by MarkuzJuniuz
nice --> gentle

[GGTharos]

Not going to happen for FC3, AFAIK.

[Dudikoff]

but remember that those aircraft had their radars designed to deliver missiles to a single target, not to be particularly efficient at search.

 

Hate to be splitting hairs here, but IMHO while that might be somewhat true for the Fulcrum's Rubin radar, for the Flanker it's only true by consequence of having the enlarged Rubin radar being used on it, too.

 

Just thought it was worth repeating here that the Flanker was supposed to be more autonomous especially when operating beyond FEBA, but the development of the planned radar system Myech failed as the Soviet radar technology was rather lagging behind the West (especially the digital processors) so they ended up reusing the antenna design of the Rubin radar. The Myech radar was supposed to be electronically scanned in the vertical plane to better support tracking of the multiple targets.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Dudikoff

[MarkuzJuniuz]

Not going to happen for FC3, AFAIK.

 

I guess this illustrates how much better DCS level aircraft would be. I hope a DCS: F-15c comes out.

 

Well, back to doing the Iron Eagle 2 in the valleys again for the nth time and hopefully I get lucky and finally destroy the Mainstay. On the first try that I finally got to WP11 (I kept getting lost on my previous attempts) I got lucky, boresighted the two escorts and killed one, got the other defensive and had an AMRAAM and Sidewinder on the AWACS then I just ran off because of the 29s on my tail. When I got back to the base I saw the A-50 mangled but still flying low heading home.

 

Never got lucky again. Fantastic heart-pumping mission though (like some M. Bay movie :)), too bad I can't get past it and see the rest.

Edited August 1, 2013 by MarkuzJuniuz
Correction