Mi-28 Havoc?

[Tbag]

Necrophile :D

 

I admit I also play Rise of Flight :D

 

So the A was just a typo?

[sobek]

I admit I also play Rise of Flight :D

 

So the A was just a typo?

 

No i meant because you dug up a post from 2007 ;)

 

at that time the plan was to do the A version

[Tbag]

Hehe, your comment made sense in more than one way. :D It's DANWATTOS fault, he digged up the thread! ;)

[sobek]

Hehe, your comment made sense in more than one way. :D

 

I can see how it does now :)

[enigma6584]

That said, I might have given a knee-jerk reaction to the word and if so I do apologize.

 

No need to apologize EtherealN. You've brought up many valid points. I guess I just wanted to emphasize that I believe one of the biggest strengths of Eagle Dynamics' software. That, again being the ability to transfer understanding of different avionics systems and how they affect tactics used with that particular weapon.

 

I who am not a real pilot and who only reads books about military operations can now in some small way understand these things better through use of the software. It is an educational tool as well as just a fun flight simulator.

 

My first computer game (sim) was Eagle Dynamics' "Su-27 Flanker." Before that, I knew absolutely nothing about aircraft or the pyhsics which kept them up in the air. My oh my how that has changed.:thumbup: The software has taught me a thing or two.

[EtherealN]

(Oh and btw., the Mi-28 is a combat chopper, not SAR.);)

 

True, but I have a vague memory of Mil retaining a personnel-capable cargo compartment specifically with the intent of allowing it to pick up downed aircrew. Apparently they were quite happy with that capability in the Mi-24 in Afghanistan and decided that even if it's not comfortable it would be nice if it could pick up it's own wingman if need be.

 

Although there is that saying "if there's will there's a way", and a swedish proverb that translates roughly to "if there's room in your heart then there's room for a butt." And wasn't Ed Macy involved in an operation where downed aircrew were picked up and carried externally on an Apache? (Or did I get things mixed up again? :P )

[EtherealN]

My first computer game (sim) was Eagle Dynamics' "Su-27 Flanker." Before that, I knew absolutely nothing about aircraft or the pyhsics which kept them up in the air. My oh my how that has changed.:thumbup: The software has taught me a thing or two.

 

Keep at it. Trials for glider pilot education in the UK was done on simulator-focused training, and they found they could cut the amount of "real" flights before first solo flight down to just 5. So nothing stopping you from translating what you have learned into becoming a real-life aviator - even though it might be in aircraft with slightly smaller performance figures. :P

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Let's make things... but let them be unique:

 

- Let's make AH-1W, a good attack helo, yet not really advanced, and having really downgraded performance.

- Let's make the AH-64D Longbow Apache (and give the choice to strip its FCR) and have the most advanced gunship out there

- Let's have the Mi-28N, the same as Lonbow, but made so differently

- Let's have the "devil's chariot" Mi-24, a helicopter so distinct, so different in use, than any other fielded chopper in the world.

- And as a last one, let's get the OH-58D, a small recon helicopter, just to spice things up.

 

We don't really need more.

 

Just came across this and, honestly, I just can't believe the amount of things people ask for... It's almost worse than the IL-2 forum at 1C, when the talk is on Storm Of War and requests. OH-58...? Want recon, just take your regular, big, badass, mean-looking attack helicopter, get rid of any unnecessary weight and go for recon. I can't imagine how a twin-seater will work in single-player, anyway... Plus, some people seem to ignore us fixed-wing fellows, who prefer to have the ASI showing over 300 most of the time :music_whistling:. It's not ONLY about helos, for heaven's sake. "We don't really need more"? I'd ignite my computer with propane if we had 6 helicopters and no fighter-fighter*. Unique? In the end, they're are just about the same thing - a square or a circle in the HUD (depending on your ride), while we patiently wait for the circle to start flashing, or the awaited "Shoot! Shoot!" call from Bitchin' Betty, and then, in the longest milisecond of all, we squeeze the trigger... Ah, I could do it forever and never get tired of it.

 

*: This needs to be clarified for the English-speaking guys. At least in Portuguese (and probably in French, Spanish and other Latin languages), the term used for fighter ("avião de caça", equivalent to "avion de chasse" in French*), is also used for most attack aircraft, such as the EMB-314 (A-29 Super Tucano), so when you say "fighter-fighter", it means a REAL fighter, instead of some ground-pounder. Just curiosity, anyway...

**: Clarifying this again, sometimes just "caça" is used, just like "fighter" - usually in conversations between people that know something about the subject, of course. May not make sense for most of you, but to me it's just right :D. I guess in French when you say "un chasse Mirage 2000" it means "a fighter Mirage 2000", right?

***: Yes, I know about the whole military contract thing, I just needed to rage against something today, just complaining about snow almost reaching my knees wasn't quite enought :music_whistling:.

[DANWATTO]

Hehe, your comment made sense in more than one way. :D It's DANWATTOS fault, he digged up the thread! ;)

 

Yeah I know, I'm watching this with interest now :music_whistling:

 

The idea of balance for me was never air to air fighting. The idea of ground pounding attack aircraft going air to air is just not appealing.

 

It's all about the ground war. For example many missions you need to assist the ground troops to get a positive outcome.

 

Team vs Team Multiplayer I would hope would have a similar number of ground troops on each side, and you would have to assist by escorting and providing CAS.

 

If there are fighters like the flanker connected through FC2, then they can provide cover against air threats.

 

Regarding whether FC2 will be compatible with the A-10 or not, why wouldn't it be?

 

Would ED go to all the trouble to make it compatible with DCS, having a heli which is totally different to the fixed wing craft of FC, if they were only going to do it for one module?

 

It doesn't make sense and I wouldn't care for it unless it is compatible with all DCS modules. Otherwise the link between the DCS modules would break after the KA-50.

 

Anyway I'm happy to see anything get released at all, I'm grateful that there's still great sims being developed.

 

Cheers

 

Taipan

[element1108]

I have no doubt that they will be made compatible. If anything not at first, but I'm sure in time it would be made available.

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

Guys!

 

I'd love to have the Havoc-Module, too. It's a mean-looking beautiful helo, although it reminds me of an evil Goofy a bit ;).

 

But nevertheless I think we have been told that it won't be produced, because a contract won't be signed between Mil and ED, due to its classification. It reminds me a bit of someone dreaming to winn a million in the lottery every week. Most dreams surely become true one day. This dream (a nightmare for its' enemies) won't become true in the near future.

 

But if I had the choice between all helos, I'd definitely go for the Havoc first. And as a transport-helo, I'd vote for Mi-12, Mi-26 and Mi-8.

[Boberro]

Yes it looks like Goofy :D Dunno from what Ka-50 got Shark name... it looks more like a dog or croc.

 

A-10 this animal with huge ears...

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

Yes it looks like Goofy :D Dunno from what Ka-50 got Shark name... it looks more like a dog or croc.

 

A-10 this animal with huge ears...

 

...and with the Su-32 Platypus we have all citizens of Duckberg and Mouseton together.

 

I think the Russians have had enough of the silly NATO-Code names given to their planes and helos. Frogfoot (Su-25), Fishbed (MiG-21), Farmer (MiG-19), Beagle (Il-2), Hormone (Ka-25), Homer Simpson (Mi-12) and Crusty the Clown (Tu-134). So before the Americans could name the Ka-50 "Hans Wurst" :D , they probably decided to give it a "BAD" name. I'm just making educated guesses as you see.

 

What does Hokum mean, by the way?

Edited December 21, 2009 by Endoplasmic Reticulum

[EtherealN]

Found this list of synonyms for the word "Hokum": Nonsense, baloney, bosh, bull, bunkum, flimflam, hooey, jazz, malarkey, poppycock, bunk, humbug, stuff, claptrap.

 

So I guess you can add the Ka-50 to the large list of russian aircraft that were given less than complimenting NATO reporting codes. :P

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

Found this list of synonyms for the word "Hokum": Nonsense, baloney, bosh, bull, bunkum, flimflam, hooey, jazz, malarkey, poppycock, bunk, humbug, stuff, claptrap.

 

So I guess you can add the Ka-50 to the large list of russian aircraft that were given less than complimenting NATO reporting codes. :P

 

:megalol:

 

Getting your butt blown off by 'nonsense' or 'flimflam' gives this sim a new sense of realism.

 

-"Sir. Our base is being attacked by baloneys!"

-"Nonsense, lieutenant."

-"Yes, sir. That's what I said, sir." :D

[EtherealN]

Gives the old "Bah, Humbug" from that traditional X-mas story a whole new meaning, as well. ;)

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

Gives the old "Bah, Humbug" from that traditional X-mas story a whole new meaning, as well. ;)

 

And now a bit Biology:

 

Ba humbugi

 

1. A snail first found on Mba, an island in the Fiji group.
   

Couldn't find a picture though.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/weekinreview/20foun.html