Yellonet Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 well, the only person that would fly with it off is the CPG. The pilot ALWAYS flies with it on, the ability to move it off to the side is incase it were to fail, which would require the pilot having to transfer his view inside. The symbology, and all its many areas are the only real means for the pilot to know what the aircraft is doing in flight. BradWhat info does it show? Compass heading? I was wondering about that friendly fire video in another thread... some apaches drifted in the wind and were therefore pointing their nose in the wrong direction, how could they miss that? Relying too much on the helmet sight info? i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Sundowner.pl Posted October 26, 2007 Author Posted October 26, 2007 This should answer your question Yellonet, for more, search for TM 1-1520-238-10 manual Brad, next time you fly, could you remember how big is the image ? Compare the horizon line to something inside the cockpit. Or the boresight cross, or anything else we could measure. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
bradmick Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Well, part of the problem with the Friendly Fire incident (that was my dads first unit out of Flight School actually, Col. Hayle (sp?) with the Big Red One, he was a Gunfighter, 2-1 I believe it was (been over 16 years)) was the aircraft didn't have all the neat-o little navigation gadgets it has now. It was really easy to get disoriented, particularly in the desert. What do you have to navigate off of other than shifting sand dunes. As far as the symbology goes, it depends on what mode you're in what is displayed. The one that sundowner posted is the Transition symbology. You've got the velocity vector, velocity cue, LOS reticle, heading tape, articicial horizon, ivsi, airspeed, torque trim ball, and HAD. Brad
Yellonet Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Brad, next time you fly, could you remember how big is the image ? Compare the horizon line to something inside the cockpit. Or the boresight cross, or anything else we could measure. You're gonna make him crash! :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
bradmick Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Nah, the helicopter flies itself a hell of a lot better than I do, it's designed to do that :) heheh. Brad
Yellonet Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Well, part of the problem with the Friendly Fire incident (that was my dads first unit out of Flight School actually, Col. Hayle (sp?) with the Big Red One, he was a Gunfighter, 2-1 I believe it was (been over 16 years)) was the aircraft didn't have all the neat-o little navigation gadgets it has now. It was really easy to get disoriented, particularly in the desert. What do you have to navigate off of other than shifting sand dunes. As far as the symbology goes, it depends on what mode you're in what is displayed. The one that sundowner posted is the Transition symbology. You've got the velocity vector, velocity cue, LOS reticle, heading tape, articicial horizon, ivsi, airspeed, torque trim ball, and HAD. BradAh... real unpleasant that video.. hearing him after it's confirmed friendlies :( i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
bradmick Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Jackpot. Here go! http://www.tpub.com/content/ahapache/TM-1-1520-238-10/index.htm The AH-64A -10 was apparently released and allowed to be released to the public. A lot is the same, minus the stuff on the MPD's. There are definations of the symbology sets. Brad
Sundowner.pl Posted October 26, 2007 Author Posted October 26, 2007 Yeah, initially TM 1-1520-238-10 was released to the public on 15th December 1999. All maintenance manuals shortly after, so almost all data for Alphas is available, the Deltas are still a mystery though. Unfortunately no one needs to know how much mils do the symbology represent, so it's omitted in all manuals, but that's crucial information when making a really realistic sim, and for that... well we have to ask people like you :smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
GGTharos Posted October 27, 2007 Posted October 27, 2007 I wouldn't get terribly excited about the Ka-50's helmet sight. It's useful, but it's no IHADSS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
bradmick Posted October 27, 2007 Posted October 27, 2007 Hmm...yeah, I'm still trying to figure out just how much I can really talk about the Deltas. I definately know that if I were to sit down with the Alphas -10, and the Alphas ATM, I could walk all you through the start up and how to go through performance planning, etc..etc. I don't know how the rest of the world, but for us yanks, Performance Planning is our bread and butter. We don't fly without having as exact an idea of what to expect when we go to pick up the airplane and fly. Since the -10 I posted a link to has all the PP charts, that makes it even easier. Anyone who's interested, I can run through that. And also, looking through the Black Shark video, I can definately say the Alpha is the better choice as its contemporary. Brad
Sundowner.pl Posted October 27, 2007 Author Posted October 27, 2007 I'm interested, everything can come handy someday :smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
AlphaOneSix Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 My first thoughts are, please, please, please don't reference that goofy movie Firebirds, heheh. That movie is an embarassment to all Apache pilots. My dad was actually there when they filmed the movie, the real pilots hated it. Well, this makes me feel old. Was you dad in 1-3 Avn, by any chance? I got to Ft. Hood shortly after the filming, and attended the pre-screening with all of 1-3 Avn and 2-1 Cav. There are several scenes with friends of mine in them. And yes, the movie was crap. :D
bradmick Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 I can't remember the exact unit, but I know he was with the Big Red Run. He was down there for training prior to going over to Iraq. I remember that he was a Gunfighter, because as a kid there was nothing cooler than hearing and saying 'don't run, you'll only die tired!' I think it was 1-3 he was with. But that's a long time ago now, almost 17 years. (and, all these trips down memory lane keep getting closer to 20 years ago, and thats wierding me out). I know the only scene he was in was the Bar scene with Little, and that was for all of about 3 seconds. Brad
AlphaOneSix Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 Ah yes, the 1-1 Avn Bn completed ATB (Apache Traning Brigade) at Ft. Hood in the middle of 1990 and I got to Ft. Hood in early 1990. I was with 1-3 Avn Bn of the 2nd Armored Division. So your dad and I may have crossed paths at some point, and it's pretty much a guarantee that we know some of the same people.
bradmick Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 Awesome, no doubt. I run into folks my dad knows ALL the time (especially now that i'm out on the flight line here, i'm a marked man, heheh) Brad
flybull Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 @ mods - could we resurrect this discussion and shift it to the AH-64 section. since the OP started this discussion 2007, VR has come to the fore, and provides the ability to overcome many of the issues described. how ED implements IHADDS and different FOVs between eyes remains to be seen.
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