Vikhr vs. Hellfire

[Yellonet]

Nope, just a working knowledge of similar systems :)

Because of the signal being so low, the probability of tripping the LWR might be lower; however, your opponent can simply reprogram the device to filter things differently, in order to detect this signal more reliably. And again ... the Black Shark does use a laser rangefinder ;)

Can the rangefinder be switched off?

And does it matter in the game?

Will enemy tanks be using LWRs?

[GGTharos]

The rangefinder sets the 'firing time' for the guidance, so I don't think it's useful to switch it off. I don't think the AI in BS has any effective defense against these weapons yet anyway, wether it does detect them or not.

[159th_Viper]

Without the Laser Rangefinder your Vikhr will just go ballistic in any event so you definitely do not want to switch it off

[159th_Viper]

Whilst on the subject of the LR - is it capable of being over-ridden during the Cooling-Off period in BS?

[Yellonet]

Without the Laser Rangefinder your Vikhr will just go ballistic in any event so you definitely do not want to switch it off

The laser range finder is separate from the missile guidance laser.

[Yellonet]

The rangefinder sets the 'firing time' for the guidance, so I don't think it's useful to switch it off. I don't think the AI in BS has any effective defense against these weapons yet anyway, wether it does detect them or not.

What do you mean by firing time?

[GGTharos]

TO be perfectly honest, I haven't tried, though from reading the modes of operation, you could operate it manually. This involves reaching to flip switches on the right hand panel, IIRC. It is a good idea to shut it down when not in combat - it likes to break after some time.

 

I personally prefer to leave it in automatic mode (range when acquiring target, then range once the missile is fired and designate -the time required to illuminate the target is automatically computed from the distance, and illumination ceases once this time elapses)

 

In other words, I really don't have time to mess around with 'trickery' when I need to attack a column of tanks while popping in and out of ridges etc. The guidance system does its job, I do mine (keeping the heli flying IN THE RIGHT PLACE) ... it's not much fun to see your target blow up and realize that while you've been screwing around with pointing the laser this way and that and turning it on/off you've overflown the ridge and you've nowhere to hide! ... or, you just explode because you weren't looking outside to spot that ZSU ...

[159th_Viper]

The laser range finder is separate from the missile guidance laser.

 

With only my knowledge of the T-Frog's Laser Rangefinder to back me up I can tell you with certainty that your Missile will go ballistic if the LR is turned off/has automatically shut down for the Mandatory Cooling-Off period ;)

[Yellonet]

TO be perfectly honest, I haven't tried, though from reading the modes of operation, you could operate it manually. This involves reaching to flip switches on the right hand panel, IIRC. It is a good idea to shut it down when not in combat - it likes to break after some time.

 

I personally prefer to leave it in automatic mode (range when acquiring target, then range once the missile is fired and designate -the time required to illuminate the target is automatically computed from the distance, and illumination ceases once this time elapses)

 

In other words, I really don't have time to mess around with 'trickery' when I need to attack a column of tanks while popping in and out of ridges etc. The guidance system does its job, I do mine (keeping the heli flying IN THE RIGHT PLACE) ... it's not much fun to see your target blow up and realize that while you've been screwing around with pointing the laser this way and that and turning it on/off you've overflown the ridge and you've nowhere to hide! ... or, you just explode because you weren't looking outside to spot that ZSU ...

I thought pilots were supposed to have good multitasking ability :P

Anyway, I just thought that you could possibly fire the missile without the rangefinder to reveal you, either just "range finding a spot near the target to get the range or just guessing if your in range or not, but perhaps the targeting system needs the range finder to be able to launch the missile correctly?

[Yellonet]

With only my knowledge of the T-Frog's Laser Rangefinder to back me up I can tell you with certainty that your Missile will go ballistic if the LR is turned off/has automatically shut down for the Mandatory Cooling-Off period ;)

I know that, but maybe the range finder and the guidance laser is connected together there... or perhaps I've just misunderstood the whole system :music_whistling:

[GGTharos]

The FCS will not allow you to launch a Vikhr if the laser is inoperative, or if you aren't pointing the weapon to launch into the beam (that's right - it won't let you launch it outside of the Shkval's immidiate FOV) - further, even if it did the Vikhr would nosedive as it is not designed for this sort of operation.

You don't need the range to launch the Vikhr, but you MUST have the illumination. Without the range, you just can't count on the illumination shutting down automatically is all. Again - I have not tried manual illumination methods, assuming they are possible at all.

 

As for multi-tasking, note the trend towards automation. You will find that multitasking will bring you face to face with your worst enemy: THE GROUND.

[159th_Viper]

Which component of the FCS provides the Range Info in the HUD/CRT-TV Display?

 

Is it the Shkval or the Prichal? Reason for question is that when you Ground-Stabilize the Target Designator the Distance to the point where the TD has been stabilized is shown - this however to my understanding is not calculated by laser, or is it?

 

If so, why does the laser not over-heat when TD Ground-Stabilized for a lengthly period of time? Or has the Prichal a Two-Tiered component with a laser providing range determination and another providing the necessary designation beam/cone for the Beam-Riders, the latter being prone to over-heating after about 60 sec's and the former not?

[GGTharos]

Ehm ... I used to know the answer but I've forgotten, sorry :)

[159th_Viper]

Ehm ... I used to know the answer but I've forgotten, sorry :)

 

Oops :D

 

 

 

 

Anybody Else.........:)

[Force_Feedback]

The Rubicon complex, but I'll have to check the literature to be certain.

[GGTharos]

That is correct. The vikhr doesn't see reflections, rather, it rides between 4 laser beams emitted from the launching aircraft - on other words, there is no seeker, just laser sensors in the tail.

[AceEagle]

How does the Hellfire strike the target from above?

Well I hope it doesn't strike from below :crazy:

[Mugatu]

Depends on the helicopter but if a laser pointer can set it off then I don't see a problem with a Vihkr's designator especiially when enough power would be required to designate a target at over 5k!

 

Any link to contradict the earlier submission - in order to satisfy my quest for knowledge :)

[159th_Viper]

Depends on the helicopter but if a laser pointer can set it off then I don't see a problem with a Vihkr's designator especiially when enough power would be required to designate a target at over 5k!

 

The laser utilized by the Beam-Rider is essentially less than 1% of the strength of the designator as per the above quoted theses. Here you are dealing with a laser "cone" illuminating the area around the target in which the Beam-Rider guides to the target as opposed to a single laser beam so yet again - please point me to a basis in fact for the assumption that the above submissions are wrong :)

[GGTharos]

The fact that you can tell you're being illuminated by coherent light ... ie. a laser ... :)

It is quite detectable, and it's actually 4 beams - the cone is 'virtual' ... the 4 beams create a grid for the missile to fly in.

[Mugatu]

Page 38 - 40 of said report, no? :)

 

The laser utilized by the Beam-Rider is essentially less than 1% of the strength of the designator as per the above quoted theses. Here you are dealing with a laser "cone" illuminating the area around the target in which the Beam-Rider guides to the target as opposed to a single laser beam so yet again - please point me to a basis in fact for the assumption that the above submissions are wrong :)

[EvilBivol-1]

If so, why does the laser not over-heat when TD Ground-Stabilized for a lengthly period of time? Or has the Prichal a Two-Tiered component with a laser providing range determination and another providing the necessary designation beam/cone for the Beam-Riders, the latter being prone to over-heating after about 60 sec's and the former not?

I might have to check the manual (:)), but IIRC, the laser range finder and the laser beam channel are in fact two different emitters. The laser range finder operates for a set period of time depending on the range (sorry, no numbers ;)) when the pilot locks the target to accurately measure the target's motion relative to the helicopter, from which point on the range is extrapolated in the computers.

 

This is in automatic tracking mode, which is the one you would normally use. There is also manual designation, where the laser range finder is active for as long as the pilot holds down the lock button and then yes, the laser goes through a cooling cycle.

 

"Prichal" specifically refers to the laser range finder, but I'm not sure if that means it cannot be used in reference to the entire laser system.

[159th_Viper]

Ta for the Info EB1 - much appreciated :)

[skinnadoor]

BLAST FRAG !