missing track file Loft/toss bombing always lands too far(long)

[maxTRX]

This^^^ +100. They are called dumb bombs for a reason. IRL, there are so many variables that affect a Mk-82/83/84 from release to impact that the bombing computer IRL can't handle them all. Wind is a big one. If the wind differs from surface up to release altitude, how do the bombing computer know? It's taking it's best guess and extrapolating unless you could dive down to the surface and capture the winds as you climb back up. As LRR said, the higher you go, the less accurate dumb bombs become because the variables become greater. Dropping a string of Mk-82AIRs from 1000 feet in AUTO can be very accurate. Dropping MK-84s in AUTO from 10K ft way less so.

 

This is why CCIP and a dive angle is so much more accurate, because you remove more of the variables.

 

There will ALWAYS be limitations with dumb bombs level release in AUTO, but the ways to make them the most accurate possible are to use laser ranging in the TGP (turn the laser on and leave it on) and then continually designate right up to pickle. Zoom in as much as possible and be very precise with the crosshair placement. I actually prefer ATRK because I can put the XH where I want it rather than relying on PTRK to bound the tgt.

 

But even if you do everything perfect, it's still a dumb bomb. There's a reason we went to LGBs and GPS weapons.

 

I remember watching a vid long time ago showing bunch of jets over B17 range. The sound track included JTAC's talk-on. The winds were pretty strong and variable. Most impacts were not exactly a bullseye.;)

Edited April 24, 2020 by Gripes323
it was b17 range

[maxTRX]

What altitude AGL are you guys doing loft attacks from?

 

From around 500 to a 1000 ft. AGL. The bombs impacted long about 50 ft. I need to experiment with it more.

[hein22]

This^^^ +100. They are called dumb bombs for a reason. IRL, there are so many variables that affect a Mk-82/83/84 from release to impact that the bombing computer IRL can't handle them all. Wind is a big one. If the wind differs from surface up to release altitude, how do the bombing computer know? It's taking it's best guess and extrapolating unless you could dive down to the surface and capture the winds as you climb back up. As LRR said, the higher you go, the less accurate dumb bombs become because the variables become greater. Dropping a string of Mk-82AIRs from 1000 feet in AUTO can be very accurate. Dropping MK-84s in AUTO from 10K ft way less so.

 

This is why CCIP and a dive angle is so much more accurate, because you remove more of the variables.

 

There will ALWAYS be limitations with dumb bombs level release in AUTO, but the ways to make them the most accurate possible are to use laser ranging in the TGP (turn the laser on and leave it on) and then continually designate right up to pickle. Zoom in as much as possible and be very precise with the crosshair placement. I actually prefer ATRK because I can put the XH where I want it rather than relying on PTRK to bound the tgt.

 

But even if you do everything perfect, it's still a dumb bomb. There's a reason we went to LGBs and GPS weapons.

 

I know what dumb bombs are. I'm not saying that they should hit spot on, they should have a random error, based on release parameters that are always different due to human piloting, not the same one over and over again, that is what's wrong in dcs. And it has been acknowledged by ED so...

[David A Sell]

Just wandered in here to say this exact issue of the LOFT bombs running long is still going on today (3 years later) It is driving me mad trying to figure out what i am doing wrong! 

 

[LastRifleRound]

Many, many other bombing methods have been messed up in the Hornet and are currently still messed up. In fact, more are messed up now than ever. You can't AUTO drop in a dive, for instance, or your bombs will always be short. CCIP was always long in the dive and now is completelt screwed up. For three years Mk83's could be delivered spot onat 7000ft and 350kts, any slower or lower you could make the bombs fall short and vice versa. That one got fixed for level drops only. In fact, so much of the iron bombing is demonstrably messed up that one should assume that a bug is being encountered before chastizing people with the complete history and discussion of what iron bombs are.

TL:DR; you're not doing anything wrong. If you can't drop level, don't iron bomb in the Hornet, and that could break any moment. It's by far the most bugged jet in DCS. 99% of the AG work and effort seems to go into TOO rippling 87 JDAMs.

The only jet in DCS with a fully implemented dedicated loft feature is the Viper.

[Lisovsky]

After numerous experiments, I was able to find out that the miss of any type of bomb is +400 meters.