IFF not working.

[HR-Crumble]

Hi all,

 

Is IFF still not implemented fully. On some MP servers I TMS left to do an IFF sweep and they come back red. You then fire and splash and find out you have blue on blue?

 

 

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[Deano87]

Hi all,

 

Is IFF still not implemented fully. On some MP servers I TMS left to do an IFF sweep and they come back red. You then fire and splash and find out you have blue on blue?

 

 

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IFF cannot come back “Red” you either get a green circle with a 4 over the blip on the FCR and HSD which signifies friendly or you get no response. If you’re seeing red contacts on the FCR or HSD that is a datalink contact. This is a different and distinct system from onboard IFF

 

There is a current bug where datalink can show all aircraft as either friendly or hostile depending on what units are in sim.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=269934

Edited May 3, 2020 by Deano87

[HR-Crumble]

So if you have data link enabled and you TMS left in the FCR SOI and it goes from green to red that is data link telling me it's a bandit.

 

 

If I have NO data link enabled or AWACS etc and you IFF sweep with TMS left it will go from green to white - indicating a bandit?

 

 

 

 

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Edited May 15, 2020 by HR-Crumble

[SpaceMonkey037]

Datalink has nothing to do with TMS. The F16 does not have any identification system like the hornet has, so there is no way to make a contact "red" If its red that means that another plane like a hornet/awacs have identified it has hostile. In the F-16 the only way to interrogate contacts is by IFF. IFF is simply your plane asking a question, and your friendly's replaying with the correct answer. If they either do not reply or replies with the wrong answer it MIGHT be a hostile. In the plane, correct IFF answers pop up as green circles, wrong or no answers does not show anything.

[HR-Crumble]

Datalink has nothing to do with TMS. The F16 does not have any identification system like the hornet has, so there is no way to make a contact "red" If its red that means that another plane like a hornet/awacs have identified it has hostile. In the F-16 the only way to interrogate contacts is by IFF. IFF is simply your plane asking a question, and your friendly's replaying with the correct answer. If they either do not reply or replies with the wrong answer it MIGHT be a hostile. In the plane, correct IFF answers pop up as green circles, wrong or no answers does not show anything.

Yes TMS is just the hotas control I'm aware.

If you TMS left you IFF interrogate and that will also get info from the data link showing red or green on the FCR.

If you don't have the data link as I said they stay white right or go green - but this is just the internal F-16 IFF interrogation.

 

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

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[iborg]

I found it useful to declare a bugged contact to AWACS... when in doubt in MP.

[HR-Crumble]

I found it useful to declare a bugged contact to AWACS... when in doubt in MP.

Good shout!

 

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[SpaceMonkey037]

Yes TMS is just the hotas control I'm aware.

If you TMS left you IFF interrogate and that will also get info from the data link showing red or green on the FCR.

If you don't have the data link as I said they stay white right or go green - but this is just the internal F-16 IFF interrogation.

 

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

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No, IFF and Datalink are two separate systems. IFF is completely independent from datalink and datalink does not get any info from the IFF. IFF cannot make a contact "red" or "green", but it will show you a green circle on the contact if it replied. The circle will disappear within a few seconds. There is NO way to make a contact either "red" or "green" on the datalink in the 16. This MUST be done from another aircraft on the same datalink network like a hornet or AWACS capable of identifying aircraft types.

[HR-Crumble]

I think you're not getting what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with what you are saying.

 

 

This happens in my F-16 -

 

NO DATA LINK SCENARIO:

 

white contact on FCR.

TMS left goes green or stays white.

 

 

DATA LINK ON SCENARIO:

 

green contact on FCR

TMS left will make it go green or red.

 

 

FYI I am only talking about using the FCR.

 

 

My OP was regarding if IFF or data link is bugged.

 

On some MP servers where you have an AWACS and data link and you IFF TMS left on the FCR sometimes the greens go red colour. That's fine indicating bandit. You then lock it up and fire and get a blue on blue kill. Even though it was red.

 

My OP question is - is this a bug?

 

 

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Edited May 15, 2020 by HR-Crumble

[=OPS=Slider]

Red color DOES NOT MEAN it's a bandit. It means that someone else (AWACS/another fighter on the datalink network) sees the target as well. So in your case, you see friendlies on your radar, but AWACS sees them as well. To "fully" identify a contact, you can either ask AWACS (declare) or visually identify your contact, which is obviously way harder, unless you have a targeting pod with A2A mode (which we don't have, yet...).

[ilikepie]

it's more WIP than bugged.

[HR-Crumble]

Red color DOES NOT MEAN it's a bandit. It means that someone else (AWACS/another fighter on the datalink network) sees the target as well. So in your case, you see friendlies on your radar, but AWACS sees them as well. To "fully" identify a contact, you can either ask AWACS (declare) or visually identify your contact, which is obviously way harder, unless you have a targeting pod with A2A mode (which we don't have, yet...).

Right so red doesn't mean bandit. If I'm looking at a friendly and so is the AWACS it doesn't stay green or goes red?

 

Isn't that bad for IDing targets? Wags video says red coloured contacts are bandits?

 

 

 

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[Deano87]

Red means unknown, you should treat it as a possible bandit, IFF it a few times and see if you get a Mode 4 response. If you get nothing you’re probably ok to engage. But it depends on the aircraft and if the person flying it has remembered to turn their IFF on. You should not engage based solely on the colour on the FCR/HSD you need to confirm using IFF.

[Bouli306]

Wow what a bunch of ....! This is how it is supposed to work:

 

Datalinks was a system on board the Viper it was called IDM but not used and operational anymore: Links 16 is the link (it is not called datalink) that is used in DCS and IRL. There are still a lot of things not working as IRL BUT. Link-16 and IFF are totally separate systems.

 

LINK-16 in DCS: is working via AWACS as "modem" what is called NTR. When some tactical stuff is met somebody in the AWACS will declare it as friendly, neutral/unknown or hostile. This is shown as green, white, or red on the radar and HSD. This is at this moment not working good in the F-16 in DCS.

 

IRL a flight of F-16's could use and set up Link-16 only in their flight when no AWACS is available.

 

IFF in DCS interrogates the modes and codes selected via the UFC. When a LOS interrogation is done, no correct response you will see a yellow/amber square around the radar return where your cursor is when not replying correct. It will show a green circle when the response is correct. When a SCAN interrogation is done all aircraft will send a incorrect/correct reply (or not when their IFF is OFF). so you could see a lot of replies on the HSD for example (also looking backwards).

 

At this moment i would rely on IFF, but IFF will not color the Link-16 or radar return a certain color. it will show a green circle, amber square for a few seconds and that is it.l

 

By the way, only a color of the Links-16 or only the color of an IFF return would not be enough to shoot somebody in the face...but somebody in AWACS is really screwing up when he assigns a red symbol to an unknown or friendly entity

Edited May 15, 2020 by Bouli306

[HR-Crumble]

Wow what a bunch of ....! This is how it is supposed to work:

 

Datalinks was a system on board the Viper it was called IDM but not used and operational anymore: Links 16 is the link (it is not called datalink) that is used in DCS and IRL. There are still a lot of things not working as IRL BUT. Link-16 and IFF are totally separate systems.

 

LINK-16 in DCS: is working via AWACS as "modem" what is called NTR. When some tactical stuff is met somebody in the AWACS will declare it as friendly, neutral/unknown or hostile. This is shown as green, white, or red on the radar and HSD. This is at this moment not working good in the F-16 in DCS.

 

IRL a flight of F-16's could use and set up Link-16 only in their flight when no AWACS is available.

 

IFF in DCS interrogates the modes and codes selected via the UFC. When a LOS interrogation is done, no correct response you will see a yellow/amber square around the radar return where your cursor is when not replying correct. It will show a green circle when the response is correct. When a SCAN interrogation is done all aircraft will send a incorrect/correct reply (or not when their IFF is OFF). so you could see a lot of replies on the HSD for example (also looking backwards).

 

At this moment i would rely on IFF, but IFF will not color the Link-16 or radar return a certain color. it will show a green circle, amber square for a few seconds and that is it.l

 

By the way, only a color of the Links-16 or only the color of an IFF return would not be enough to shoot somebody in the face...but somebody in AWACS is really screwing up when he assigns a red symbol to an unknown or friendly entity

Perfect Bouli306 thank you. You have also confirmed my very intial question of the system still being in open beta and a few bugs to iron out.

 

 

Thanks all and stay safe.

 

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[SpaceMonkey037]

I think you're not getting what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with what you are saying.

 

 

This happens in my F-16 -

 

NO DATA LINK SCENARIO:

 

white contact on FCR.

TMS left goes green or stays white.

 

 

DATA LINK ON SCENARIO:

 

green contact on FCR

TMS left will make it go green or red.

 

 

FYI I am only talking about using the FCR.

 

 

My OP was regarding if IFF or data link is bugged.

 

On some MP servers where you have an AWACS and data link and you IFF TMS left on the FCR sometimes the greens go red colour. That's fine indicating bandit. You then lock it up and fire and get a blue on blue kill. Even though it was red.

 

My OP question is - is this a bug?

 

 

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NO! When pressing TMS Left your do IFF NOT DATALINK! Datalink and IFF has nothing do do with each other. TMS left is purely a IFF thing, and does not change anything related to datalink. The only way for a datalink contact to become "friendly/green" or "hostile/red" is if another plane or ground radar identifies a contact as either friendly or hostile. The F16 cannot identify hostiles or friends like the hornet can. DONT MIX THESE UP! when you press TMS LEFT and do an IFF scan IF a target replies with the correct answer you will see a GREEN CIRCLE around the contact. The actual contact will remain the same as it was before, only difference is that a green circle will appear around the contact for three seconds, then disappear again. just to make this so clear you can even see your reflection in it IFF IS not connected to Datalink and has nothing do to with datalink and wont give your datalink any new information.

[HR-Crumble]

NO! When pressing TMS Left your do IFF NOT DATALINK! Datalink and IFF has nothing do do with each other. TMS left is purely a IFF thing, and does not change anything related to datalink. The only way for a datalink contact to become "friendly/green" or "hostile/red" is if another plane or ground radar identifies a contact as either friendly or hostile. The F16 cannot identify hostiles or friends like the hornet can. DONT MIX THESE UP! when you press TMS LEFT and do an IFF scan IF a target replies with the correct answer you will see a GREEN CIRCLE around the contact. The actual contact will remain the same as it was before, only difference is that a green circle will appear around the contact for three seconds, then disappear again. just to make this so clear you can even see your reflection in it IFF IS not connected to Datalink and has nothing do to with datalink and wont give your datalink any new information.

Mate. I'm going to end this conversation now. More than once in my messages I have confirmed. I KNOW IFF AND DATA LINK ARE NOT THE SAME SYSTEM.

 

I ALSO KNOW THAT TMS LEFT IS ONLY IFF.

 

 

I'm also aware the F-16 cannot type identify like the hornet can.

 

 

Not sure how many times I can confirm that.

 

These are not my questions.

 

 

I appreciate your passion though. Stay safe.

 

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