Aluminum Donkey Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I am using windows 7, I am not running overclock settings, I have tried the troubleshoot guide in your (BIGNEWY) signature have a dozen times with no success. I have bought and installed the super carrier module but haven't tried it yet. The Supercarrier module itself is mighty cool, even though it's only a place to take off and land. I'm sure you'll really like it. As for running without overclocks, most graphics cards (including your GTX 1080) are factory overclocked. It causes no problems at all for most stuff. DCS World, however, isn't so much a video game as an extremely visually-pleasing stress test. I'm playing around with down-clocking my 1080 Ti, just to see how it behaves. It'll take a while. I'm currently running a -150 MHz GPU clock, with default VRAM clock for my card (1400 MHz X8.) I use MSI Afterburner to set my fan curve so the GPU chip never exceeds about 60 degrees C. I get shot down a lot so it'll take more than a wee while. I need to overclock my piloting skills :) I'm sure we'll get a handle on this. Eventually. I don't know what ED is doing with the Vulkan API conversion, but I bet it's gonna kick ass. Peace and happy warfare AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Asus ROG Strix RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Aviation is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I am using windows 7, I am not running overclock settings, I have tried the troubleshoot guide in your (BIGNEWY) signature have a dozen times with no success. I have bought and installed the super carrier module but haven't tried it yet. OK!!! I've had luck flying with my 1080 Ti downclocked to 1850 MHz, instead of the usual 2000+ MHz. Flew a couple strike missions from the Supercarrier with the F/A-18. Minimum stuttering, minimum BS. No crashes so far. Imma have to try this out a while. It's possible that I could run it fast with watercooling, but I'm too cheap and lazy to try it right now. We'll see. If it works, it works and I can try running the GPU faster with the fans going full blast, and see if we can hang. XAiracobraX, try running your GTX 1080 slower. It won't kill framerates that badly and might just work. Give it a try, you've nothing to lose. AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Asus ROG Strix RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Aviation is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) I have done much testing with down-clocking my GPU, even to the point of making sure the GPU clock speed stays below 1750 MHz during load. I am still experiencing crashes, usually during long missions, about 30 min to 45 min into the mission, I suspect there is a memory leak happening somewhere based on the memory error that shows during the few different blue screen's I have gotten (of the more than a dozen crashes only 3-4 have been blue screens). I have following BigNewy's troubleshooting steps many times, ran repair many times, I even fully uninstalled and reinstalled the open beta. I am trying to play 2.5.6.50793 open beta running on a GTX 1080, with the 446.14 drivers, an i5-4690k running at stock 3.5 Ghz with 32 GB of ram and a 32 GB page file, on windows 7, using a single monitor running at 2560x1440 resolution on reasonable settings for my machine averaging 110 -120 fps. My latest test was today, it blue screened and restarted the computer so there isn't a log file. I don't have these problems with any other game or program. Edited June 13, 2020 by XAiracobraX Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 13, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 13, 2020 I have done much testing with down-clocking my GPU, even to the point of making sure the GPU clock speed stays below 1750 MHz during load. I am still experiencing crashes, usually during long missions, about 30 min to 45 min into the mission, I suspect there is a memory leak happening somewhere based on the memory error that shows during the few different blue screen's I have gotten (of the more than a dozen crashes only 3-4 have been blue screens). I have following BigNewy's troubleshooting steps many times, ran repair many times, I even fully uninstalled and reinstalled the open beta. I am trying to play 2.5.6.50793 open beta running on a GTX 1080, with the 446.14 drivers, an i5-4690k running at stock 3.5 Ghz with 32 GB of ram and a 32 GB page file, on windows 7, using a single monitor running at 2560x1440 resolution on reasonable settings for my machine averaging 110 -120 fps. My latest test was today, it blue screened and restarted the computer so there isn't a log file. I don't have these problems with any other game or program. Please attach your crash zip that is created. It may contain a track replay, I will replay it and see if I can reproduce a crash thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Where do I find the crash zip? I look for the logs but didn't see any created. I have enabled the full debug log using the autoexec.cfg posted in the sticky, but that post doesn't describe in what folder/path the file(s) will be saved. Edited June 13, 2020 by XAiracobraX Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 I looked around for a crash zip file, I don't know where to look, didn't find one. So I played mission again, it crashed again. This time it produced log files, I have attached everything in the logs folder in the attached file. It contains logs of two crashes one on the 6/6 and another from today on 6/13. Please let me know where to look for a crash zip filedcs_crash_logs.zip Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 So after more testing I have discovered that it seems related to MSAA being turned on AND the birth of a lot of units (air units in testing) at once. All the times it was crashing I had MSAA set to 2X. I have MSAA off now, and have been able to succussfully fly mission 7 and 8 from the blue nosed ba$Tards campaign at least 3 times each without crashing. The attached picture shows first the settings I was using that caused CTD. And second the settings that so far have not had any crashes in about (6-7 full 1.5hr missions). The main two differences are MSAA and rain drops being turned on in the first. But since I never saw any rain drops in those missions I figured it was MSAA when the units popped in. I want to turn rain drops on and try that next. Should my machine be able to run MSAA at 2X with these settings or am I just asking too much of it? Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) After further testing, MSAA still off but with Rain Droplets check-on I saw something interesting. Playing the point du hoc mission , I think its mission 9, of the blue nosed campaign for the p51d, I could see the rain drops in the air outside but no drops or streaks on the canopy. Flew the hole mission, landed back at the airfield and upon stopping all of a sudden water streaks appeared on the canopy glass, I ended the mission shortly after. I selected end mission on the next screen and then tried to exit DCS. Upon exiting DCS crashed with a solid black screen. In all my flights before with air droplets checked (on), even flying through clouds, I never saw the water streaks on the canopy before. With the water droplets checked (on) in the P51 are other people seeing water streaks on canopy during flight in rain and/or clouds? For me I had a perfectly clean canopy, no streaks, and it appears that sometimes I get CTD with air droplets checked. So far I have not had any CTD with air droplets unchecked (off).dcscrash_AirDropsChecked.zip Edited June 21, 2020 by XAiracobraX Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 22, 2020 Thanks for the logs. The cash points to windows files nvwgf2umx.dll and ntdll.dll I have tried to reproduce but have been unable so far. 2020-06-13 20:16:01.027 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information 2020-06-13 20:16:01.557 INFO EDCORE: # -------------- 20200613-201601 -------------- 2020-06-13 20:16:01.557 INFO EDCORE: DCS/2.5.6.50793 (x86_64; Windows NT 6.1.7601) 2020-06-13 20:16:01.557 INFO EDCORE: C:\Windows\system32\nvwgf2umx.dll 2020-06-13 20:16:01.557 INFO EDCORE: # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at ED16ED7A 00:00000000 # -------------- 20200621-001337 -------------- DCS/2.5.6.50979 (x86_64; Windows NT 6.1.7601) C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 76E9A365 00:00000000 SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;C:\Games\DCS World OpenBeta;C:\Games\DCS World OpenBeta\bin;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\system32;SRV*C:\websymbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;', symOptions: 530, UserName: 'bb' OS-Version: 6.1.7601 (Service Pack 1) 0x100-0x1 0x000000000002A365 (ntdll): RtlFreeHeap + 0x1A5 0x00000000000010C8 (msvcrt): free + 0x1C 0x000000000031588C (D3DCOMPILER_47): D3DDisassemble10Effect + 0x1BE38C 0x0000000000315943 (D3DCOMPILER_47): D3DDisassemble10Effect + 0x1BE443 0x00000000003104BF (D3DCOMPILER_47): D3DDisassemble10Effect + 0x1B8FBF 0x00000000003118D6 (D3DCOMPILER_47): D3DDisassemble10Effect + 0x1BA3D6 0x0000000000052561 (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0x39611 0x0000000000052A34 (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0x39AE4 0x000000000005C48D (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0x4353D 0x000000000001A7FC (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0x18AC 0x000000000001ABB4 (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0x1C64 0x00000000000280B6 (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0xF166 0x00000000000282CD (dx11backend): createRenderer + 0xF37D 0x0000000000018A4A (dx11backend): RenderAPI::DX11Renderer::shutdown + 0x24A 0x000000000000791F (renderer): render::shutdown + 0x6F 0x0000000000033D12 (GraphicsVista): Graphics::Renderer::uninitialize + 0xB2 0x00000000006FE7D7 (DCS): CoreUtils::TempFilesManager::operator= + 0x396C27 0x00000000016D756F (DCS): AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance + 0xB1956B 0x00000000008D3D4E (DCS): CoreUtils::TempFilesManager::operator= + 0x56C19E 0x000000000001556D (kernel32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0xD 0x000000000005372D (ntdll): RtlUserThreadStart + 0x1D Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAiracobraX Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 I will say that the CTD seem related to using MSAA at 2x with AA off on my computer with large numbers of units birth/airstart/spawn part-way through a mission. I have played more with air droplets on and haven't had any other crashes. When MSAA was on I was getting CTD on almost every mission Intel i7-10700k, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1080 8GB, 1TB NVMe SSD, LG32GK850G 2560x1440 Monitor, Noctua u12a cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Right now with the up to date version the crash to the desktop is continually happen to me. I do a lot of F10 map to look for distance. All in multiplayer [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarvK Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Ever since the latest update, OB 2.5.6.50979, I have been having numerous CTD's. I have no clue where to even look for the problem. BigNewy, each time I look at the log, it seems there is something different. Not enough Memory, graphic driver stops working, can't load this or that...... This time it wouldn't even load the mission. Seems to be mostly when I'm on a MP server. This time though it was SP. Not sure if it's MP, or mission scripting. I've done the cleanup, repair and removed all mods per your signature and it seems to not help. Attaching latest log file. Please Help! :helpsmilie: Marvdcs.logdcs.log-20200623-171049.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarvK Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Tonight was just me and a buddy, private server. Played 4 hrs with no problems. Then I went into the mission editor and was on Persian Gulf map and started zooming in. Crash!!! Log file attached.:( Thanksdcslog.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 24, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 24, 2020 Tonight was just me and a buddy, private server. Played 4 hrs with no problems. Then I went into the mission editor and was on Persian Gulf map and started zooming in. Crash!!! Log file attached.:( Thanks Thanks we may have this one reported already internally. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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