hegykc Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Alright tanks. I just took a look at the model, there is actually space for 3-5 more holes for way less spring force, I just didn't go there because my spring got too weak. I already have the new adjusters printing and I'll send them to you first thing Monday morning! Could you take a picture from the side? So I can see how much space you have BEFORE and AFT of the adjusters, those bolt nuts can get in the way depending on the angle. So set them at the angle you use with the new foot rests and take a side pic if you can. www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Current pedal angle i'm trying, this is quite OK for now, just had one quick test tough. Q: Does the travel of the pedals stays the same? Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Yes travel always stays the same regardless of angle or spring position. New spring adjusters can go way beyond those first two holes, basically to 0 force if need be. So stiff spring shouldn't be an issue anymore: www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 One or 2 extra holes beyond the one i use now would be nice. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Done! Measured on the middle of the combat foot rests, braking forces are as following: Original spring adjusters minimum force: 20 kg (40 lbs) v1.0 adjusters you received minimum force : 8 kg (16 lbs) v1.5 adjusters I just made minimum force : 2 kg (4 lbs) So that's a 90% decrease in braking force for those who don't have the luxury of bolting down their MFG's to the floor, and their pedals either slide, or move the office chair. Or those of you who have low desks and cannot easily raise your feet to place them on top of the foot rests for braking. They don't interfere with brake range or movement. Edited June 27, 2020 by hegykc www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 So that's a 90% decrease in braking force for those who don't have the luxury of bolting down their MFG's to the floor, and their pedals either slide, or move the office chair. Or those of you who have low desks and cannot easily raise your feet to place them on top of the foot rests for braking. They don't interfere with brake range or movement. :thumbup: Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower793 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Received my pedals today - I don't have an issue with the spring force on the weakest of the standard holes in the MFG set so have not yet installed your system (I ran them on the second strongest with the MFG footplates). I initially tried with the same spring force and then adjusted it down My pedals are S/N 6461. In terms of vertical adjustment I currently have them 1 setting more vertical than Lang_666 and am running them on the upper set of holes in the plates (so they are closer to the ground). I tend to lift my heels slightly when using the rudder, but I think that is just a question of adjusting my muscle memory (I used to run with flatter pedals when they were whole foot). I am also sat at a desk but fortunately have a gaming chair that allows me to get low enough to avoid bashing my knees on the desk. It might also be worth seeing if the mounting holes can be moved horizontally towards the centre of the plate a bit (probably only 0.25 to 1cm), or adjust the top hole to allow a bit of angle adjustment - with the holes as they are at the moment it places my feed slightly wider apart than the standard MFG pedals and I used to have those angled out slightly. I would possibly like the pedal plates to sit slightly lower to the floor (i.e. have the holes a fraction closer to the toe), but haven't had the opportunity to play with them enough to be sure. I am sure some of it is they just feel different to what I have become very used to. Initial try was with my normal house footwear on. Am about to run a test wearing just socks with a WW2 bird to see how they feel and will feed back more after that. Having said all the above, these feel sturdy and I certainly didn't feel like I had less control over the plane while taxiing, taking off or landing. Good job:thumbup: EDIT: Have just tried the P-47 and had a nightmare on landing, but that was 100% due to my poor airmanship - the pedals felt great:D Edited June 27, 2020 by hornblower793 Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I like the way you can put the ball of your feet (when barefooted or with socks) on the lower part of these pedals. It kinda locks your feet on the pedals. Real nice feel compared to the original. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) You might have already spun-out the nuts in the spring adjusters if you installed them. I mistakenly left the original type hole, which is fine for the hard composite that the original adjusters are made from, but will VERY easily spin out the nut if you apply anything more than very light force on the hex key. The entire spring adjuster has already been changed for extra spring hole placement anyway (and a mounting hole for hydraulic brake cylinder, more on that later) so you will be getting new ones regardless, just a heads up: Edited July 1, 2020 by hegykc www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 New nut holes are far better imo. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower793 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Have now spent a reasonable amount of time taxiing, flying and landing WW2 warbirds and I feel like I have a great degree of control with the pedals and there is no feeling of flex that I can detect. I have settled on aligning them one hole back from the most vertical (which hurts my ankles). The holes in the pedals (I am trying the F-18 ones) feel fine with socks only (I don't fly barefoot but cannot see it would make that much difference) and braking has a nice feel to it. Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_mojo97 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 These sound great - sure why Milan of MSG hasn’t had the chance to do so in the last couple of years. Any chance you’ll make some some for us chopper guys - the Huey ones should be fairly straight forward I’d think. Cheers MSI M5 z270 | Intel i5 7600k (OC) 4.8GHz | MSI GTX1080ti Gaming X 11Gb | 500gb Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 (DCS World) | 500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD (OS and Apps) | 32Gb 2400MHz DDR4 - Crucial Ballistix | Be Quiet Silent Loop 240mm | NZXT H440 case | Thrustmaster Warthog - 47608 with Virpil Mongoose joystick base | MFG Crosswinds - 1241 | Westland Lynx collective with Bodnar X board | Pilot's seat from ZH832 Merlin | JetSeat | Oculus Rift S | Windows 10 | VA | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markturner1960 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Hi, when will these be available to buy? System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces seat Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's, TEDAC Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) there is no feeling of flex that I can detect. Thanks for the feedback. There are some that might brake apart at the bolts. Dark grey and silver materials are most suspicious to me so if they brake I'll increase the settings for more rigidity, and test them again. If they fail again, those materials are out. Black and green should be no problem, but even with those I am at maybe 40% possible rigidity. I left plenty of room for increase in strength if needed. These sound great - sure why Milan of MSG hasn’t had the chance to do so in the last couple of years. Any chance you’ll make some some for us chopper guys - the Huey ones should be fairly straight forward I’d think. Cheers Busy with manufacturing and life, but he is always working on something. Regarding chopper pedals, yeah sure. I'll give that a go right away. Hi, when will these be available to buy? You can PM me, I have left overs from the first test batch, and will be preparing a second round as I added features to mount hydraulic brake cylinders for a more realistic braking feel. Edited June 29, 2020 by hegykc www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower793 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Thanks for the feedback. There are some that might brake apart at the bolts. Dark grey and silver materials are most suspicious to me so if they brake I'll increase the settings for more rigidity, and test them again. If they fail again, those materials are out. Black and green should be no problem, but even with those I am at maybe 40% possible rigidity. I left plenty of room for increase in strength if needed. Will make sure I give them a good hammering over the next few days for you and then take them off and take photos so you can see how they are standing up. I will also try more with footwear on as I know I push harder with a solid sole under my feet. Testing yesterday was largely focussed on braking to taxi my taildraggers without locked tail wheels. Will try some more aerobatics / aggressive airborne maneouvres to stress them as rudder pedals as well Sent from my SM-T835 using Tapatalk Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_mojo97 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Probably not the right thread to ask but if you're doing pedal mods, I see you're also trying out the damper (in the picture anyways) - how's that working out? And finally, any chance of a mod that makes the toe brakes act more realistic ie firmer the more you press. Cheers Gazelle pedals are also cool!! Edited June 29, 2020 by mr_mojo97 MSI M5 z270 | Intel i5 7600k (OC) 4.8GHz | MSI GTX1080ti Gaming X 11Gb | 500gb Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 (DCS World) | 500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD (OS and Apps) | 32Gb 2400MHz DDR4 - Crucial Ballistix | Be Quiet Silent Loop 240mm | NZXT H440 case | Thrustmaster Warthog - 47608 with Virpil Mongoose joystick base | MFG Crosswinds - 1241 | Westland Lynx collective with Bodnar X board | Pilot's seat from ZH832 Merlin | JetSeat | Oculus Rift S | Windows 10 | VA | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 I see you're also trying out the damper (in the picture anyways) - how's that working out? And finally, any chance of a mod that makes the toe brakes act more realistic ie firmer the more you press. Cheers Damper mod takes it to another level, I would never fly without it again. I will send a bunch for trying out next month, nothing to test there, just waiting on some components to arrive. I'm also waiting on hydraulic shocks, that should firm up the brakes. And on top of that I'll try load cells, but since braking is not really a part of flight, unlike with cars, I think load cell's are overkill, and the hydraulic shocks will be sufficient. www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Had some extra rudder time today. Test update: Played with the angles on the toebrakes a bit more, but the way they are sitting as on the photo below is the most comfortable (for me): - Pedals is most lower position, toebrake springs (heavy variant) in the most soft position. A position lower would be nice i guess, can't add another hole above the topmost since there's already a hole in the pedal. - No bending of the pedals whatsoever at this spring settings. - Overall very nice feel to it. Way better then the original "feet". - Very good overall control too. - I just wonder about the material used for the pedal spring adjusters, the original ones seem to be made of a more sturdier material. - More secure nut holder (as shown in the drawing above) will be a good upgrade i think. Personally, i could use a spring adjuster with 2 extra holes. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_mojo97 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Damper mod takes it to another level, I would never fly without it again. I will send a bunch for trying out next month, nothing to test there, just waiting on some components to arrive. I'm also waiting on hydraulic shocks, that should firm up the brakes. And on top of that I'll try load cells, but since braking is not really a part of flight, unlike with cars, I think load cell's are overkill, and the hydraulic shocks will be sufficient. Cool stuff, looking forward to it. Remember though that we do have Combined Arms!! We can drive too. :smilewink: MSI M5 z270 | Intel i5 7600k (OC) 4.8GHz | MSI GTX1080ti Gaming X 11Gb | 500gb Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 (DCS World) | 500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD (OS and Apps) | 32Gb 2400MHz DDR4 - Crucial Ballistix | Be Quiet Silent Loop 240mm | NZXT H440 case | Thrustmaster Warthog - 47608 with Virpil Mongoose joystick base | MFG Crosswinds - 1241 | Westland Lynx collective with Bodnar X board | Pilot's seat from ZH832 Merlin | JetSeat | Oculus Rift S | Windows 10 | VA | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower793 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I have just taken my Huey for a spin and can confirm that these pedals gave me a great feel in rotary wing as well Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Huey foot rests. As I haven't flown chopper until now, my personal feedback is pretty pointless, so I need chopper pilots to try these out if anyone is interested. Combined with the hydraulic damper, and disengaged or totally weakened spring, it could be pretty close to the "trim release" system on the real thing. Edited June 30, 2020 by hegykc www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower793 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Huey foot rests. As I haven't flown chopper until now, my personal feedback is pretty pointless, so I need chopper pilots to try these out if anyone is interested. Combined with the hydraulic damper, and disengaged or totally weakened spring, it could be pretty close to the "trim release" system on the real thing. I am also happy to try these:thumbup: Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Mine arrived today, but was only able to do a quick test (two right pedals) Fitting of new spring adjusters was easy enough (but the nut can slip inside the recess! - and take care not to over tighten) I used the lightest spring setting for braking force Pedal fitting was pretty easy and did not take a long time to do, worked well on the lowest settting (comfort wise) little bit of creaking when braking forces applied. Think the pedals need to be a little bit thicker to improve strength and the amount of grip depth (where the pedals are bolted onto the mount plate - specifically how much depth the bolt attaches against might need to be made thicker) Edited June 30, 2020 by HC_Official No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) little bit of creaking when baking forces applied. Think the pedals need to be a little bit thicker to improve strength and the amount of grip depth (where the pedals are bolted onto the mount plate - specifically how much depth the bolt attaches against might need to be made thicker) As soon as you hear creaking, that means they are braking apart. I made every few units with different settings and different internal structure. So you just report the ones that brake apart. I have an excel spreadsheet with your names and type of pedals sent. So I can mark the settings that didn't work, and only be left with the ones that do. I will then additionally strengthen only the settings that survived and re-send those to everyone. Kind of a "survival of the fittest", process of elimination. Also there is a fail-safe backup in place. A model where the bottom 3mm are completely solid, and those are impossible to brake apart, but also take 30% longer to print. Not a problem at all, but I would like to see first if there is a setting among the 30 units I sent out, that works without that overkill, solid bottom part. If there isn't, and they all show signs of weakness (very possible), then we go straight to the fail-safe and use the solid bottom design. Edited June 30, 2020 by hegykc www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 The recess, that holds the nut that secures the brake tension "arm" .. it is easy to tighten the bolt and see tha nut end rotate and damage the recess I tried out the second lightest setting in this picture Are these prototypes being 3D printed and the final product will be produced in a different manner ? No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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