Love flying her

[ruddy122]

I really fell in love with the JF-17

 

It’s forgiving for my computer setup even though I’m a DCS Hornet guy

 

If I want something exotic I pick the JF-17

 

In real life the PLAAF chose the J-10

 

Imagine how awesome a DCS J-10 would be

 

The JF-17 is awesome

 

 

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[Sublimearrepentido]

Me too interestingly im a tomcat guy

The hornet (albeit ky 2 days with her) really similar to the jf17 nd i didnt like the hornet.

The f14 is wildly different. I do like the jeff thougghb so its grest variety

Those glide bombs are shockingly devastating

[ruddy122]

I only tried Air to Air with the SD10 and PL5

 

Limited to STT but with two JF-17s it is pretty devastating

 

 

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[Harlikwin]

Yup the Jeff is neat plane. Very simple/easy to use on one level. And it has its limitations, namely in WVR where kinematics aren't great, and the PL5 being not a great missile limit the jet. But that's a just the consequences of a development philosophy for the plane, which was meant to be cheap to operate and still very useful.

 

A/G its probably among the best planes in the game though with a limited payload. And some stuff like the BRM rockets are currently borked. And I think they really need to reconsider how the LD-10 is modeled, but half that is the DCS stupid sam model.

 

I also like the fact that the Pod actually isn't some magical eye of Sauron as well with some actual likely real world limitations and problems.

[sublime]

That glide bomb tho

[[VFA-106] Glacier]

I also like the fact that the Pod actually isn't some magical eye of Sauron as well with some actual likely real world limitations and problems.

 

Yeah, I agree, but it's a tough pill to swallow when you've been spoiled on other pods that can ground stabilize/point track from 15 million miles out.

[ruddy122]

Landing her is tricky but rewarding and that parachute is amazing I can land anywhere without the fear of running out of runway

 

 

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[sublime]

Glacier;4377859']Yeah' date=' I agree, but it's a tough pill to swallow when you've been spoiled on other pods that can ground stabilize/point track from 15 million miles out.[/quote']

 

You must be a hornet or f16 guy?

My only other experience really is with the f14 lgbs. And it took me a lil while.and i still f up that.

5 days in the jeff I can use almost all lgbs impeccably

It makes the lantirn on the tomcat look like garbage imo. Maybe i suck at using the lantirn who knows.the Jf17 if anything is VERY user friendly.

I feel kore confident in a f14 but i have eay more hours. And usually phoenixes. However for a precision strike unless non escorted Id rake a jf17 if I wanted certain target destruction BY ME. (Part of the problem is HB hasnt added jester lgb functionality. Jumping seats.. is akward)

[sublime]

Landing her is tricky but rewarding and that parachute is amazing I can land anywhere without the fear of running out of runway

 

 

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You aint joking! She DOESNT want to go down! Lol!

[mtd2811]

You aint joking! She DOESNT want to go down! Lol!

 

 

I find jeff very easy to land to be honest

 

 

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[Tiger-II]

You're probably landing too fast (and by that, I mean 2-3 kts too fast). I find popping speed brake really helps, especially as she gets lighter.

 

I aim to cross the numbers with the TVV disappearing behind the HUD camera at the bottom of the HUD, then gentle flare, then aerobrake. I've got to the point I don't need the chute.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Tiger-II

[Tiger-II]

Limited to STT but with two JF-17s it is pretty devastating

 

 

WUT? DTT and 4x SD-10 = HELL ON EARTH, especially if the opposing MP pilot thinks the Jeff isn't a threat.

 

 

You can engage two targets at once, and I do...often. :thumbup:

[Chiron]

WUT? DTT and 4x SD-10 = HELL ON EARTH, especially if the opposing MP pilot thinks the Jeff isn't a threat.

 

 

You can engage two targets at once, and I do...often. :thumbup:

 

i wouldn't suggest DTT shoot with SD-10 Current condition u better be wise in shooting missiles

[AeriaGloria]

Why? Works fine for me. You are a light fighter with not so much fuel, if you can make it a good shot why not

Edited June 14, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[Chiron]

Why? Works fine for me. You are a light fighter with not so much fuel, if you can make it a good shot why not

 

i am keeping explain this many times and no one focusing with me ( Chaff resistance + lot of drag ) is suck i saw people notching the missile without chaff the missile is not effective like before and most of people say i am wrong like i am not flying JF-17 i did a hundred of tests and i am not wrong with that in SP and MP with my friends in TAW and i will say this again SD-10 is not effective like it used to be if u launch in 10nm or 9 then u will have a confirm kill 80% maybe 70%

[AeriaGloria]

But even if you’re right why you say not to shoot on DTT?

[Chiron]

4 SD-10 and 2 pl-5 u need to be wise in MP if u dont want to RTB every 2 min or 5 min

[Tiger-II]

I shoot more to get people defensive on the missile then I can push on for a kill. I treat missiles more as fly repellant than a serious weapon, at least in DCS.

 

DTT works well.

 

If the SD-10A has become *that* useless now then what's the point? :(

 

Anecdotal evidence is the real SD-10A is pretty damn lethal. It is even used as a modern SAM with reported PK of 80%+ at 40 km. I posted tons of info on this recently in another thread.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Tiger-II

[Chiron]

I shoot more to get people defensive on the missile then I can push on for a kill. I treat missiles more as fly repellant than a serious weapon, at least in DCS.

 

DTT works well.

 

If the SD-10A has become *that* useless now then what's the point? :(

 

Anecdotal evidence is the real SD-10A is pretty damn lethal. It is even used as a modern SAM with reported PK of 80%+ at 40 km. I posted tons of info on this recently in another thread.

 

well i did the same but who pay attention i dragged into a long and annoying discussion in weapon issue Section and what i see from people there that they simply dont fly JF-17 so they dont care and after they can fly a bit safe now they dont want SD-10 to be lethal again and they fly in a style of shot the missile and the missile they want is the mythical type that can't lose energy or get notched or slow or anything its like they want to take off and shoot the missile and kill the target from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx nm and that is the realistic for them i even read in the same section about people complaining about the new aim-120c and they see it a useless missile and dont hit the target and being chaffed without notch ..... now how can i chat with people thinking like this ????

[Tiger-II]

well i did the same but who pay attention i dragged into a long and annoying discussion in weapon issue Section and what i see from people there that they simply dont fly JF-17 so they dont care and after they can fly a bit safe now they dont want SD-10 to be lethal again and they fly in a style of shot the missile and the missile they want is the mythical type that can't lose energy or get notched or slow or anything its like they want to take off and shoot the missile and kill the target from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx nm and that is the realistic for them i even read in the same section about people complaining about the new aim-120c and they see it a useless missile and dont hit the target and being chaffed without notch ..... now how can i chat with people thinking like this ????

There is a thread in the F-16 forum about exactly this. I just told them..."welcome to the club".

 

 

I don't understand why it's even tolerated for these things to be less than realistic. If people want arcade mode, go find something else to fly.

 

 

Surely it is more satisfying to fly a realistically modelled aircraft, firing realistically modelled weapons, surviving, and going home?

 

 

I've stopped even trying to understand these people.

[foxwxl]

Most people want their plane and weapons to be superb than others, and get one shot one kill. Humans.:D

 

And a lot of players don't even know what is a Jf-17, they don't care a none-western/rus plane.:lol:

[Chiron]

There is a thread in the F-16 forum about exactly this. I just told them..."welcome to the club".

 

 

I don't understand why it's even tolerated for these things to be less than realistic. If people want arcade mode, go find something else to fly.

 

 

Surely it is more satisfying to fly a realistically modelled aircraft, firing realistically modelled weapons, surviving, and going home?

 

 

I've stopped even trying to understand these people.

 

thank god i am not the only one here think like this cuz i feel a lot of people in DCS world not the most i am sure demand some fairy imagination request about missiles and i am still in my opinion SD-10 nerfed too much and i even asked Chizh if he already had intel about SD-10 he said no then i told him what info then u relay on to nerfe the missile he simply i think know the missile by its name nothing more nothing less he just see that this missile is wrong depend on ED CFD so i simply asked him why we should trust your CFD in real fact all missile that u present is not even good he said u dont have to believe in anything ....... TBH i dont like what they did if they presenting a new API system the Fair and honest way is to apply it to all missiles not just ED missiles and we will in the nearest future the rest missiles and simply people is happy cuz most of them flying F-16 or F-18 so they dont care about any other module in the game for sake of we want to kill people but we dont want to die that is not right for my point of view and that is my opinion and that is what i though maybe i am right or maybe i am wrong ...... and my opinion about the new AIM-120 is a bit unrealistic in some ways i like how deadly they make it no complaining but in turn rate i see Aim-120 beat Aim-9 and that is not realistic what the idea in making medium range missile can bet a short range one and USA air force keep developing Aim short range family unless they had a lot of money and they dont know where to spend it so there is unrealistic in this matter also compare to SD-10 i can't accept double engine stage with detonation mechanism microwave proximity fuse with engine solid fuel dual-thrust rocket motor and still lose a hell of energy amount in dense air i can't accept that what leave ASTRA then the indian missile that suppose to be against SD-10 and if they want to make a missile that ignore chaff without simulating ECM that is a 100% wrong move if u want to make a missile that simply beat any chaff cuz in real life he can do this then where is our realistic ECM u can see how SU-30 in India beat Aim-120C 5 very easily in fact there is a squad with Mig-21 pilots with Aim dodger badge and we are talking about Mig-21 not some modern fighters ( i dont like this and that is my opinion ) the new Aim-120 is not impossible to defend u can just adjust your way of defend and focus more on energy battles with the missile and u will be good i am talking about the general idea ( The whoooooole picture of realistic )

 

As for SD-10 i hope they didn't got their info from ASPIDE missile which is so identical to SD-10 but its surface to Air missile if that the story then they should see Aspide Mk.2 and that is more related to SD-10

 

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/aspide-2000-image05.jpg

Edited June 15, 2020 by Chiron

[Chiron]

Most people want their plane and weapons to be superb than others, and get one shot one kill. Humans.:D

 

And a lot of players don't even know what is a Jf-17, they don't care a none-western/rus plane.:lol:

 

the ugly Fact yes ..... most of people ignore the big Fact ( PILOT )

[Tiger-II]

Most people want their plane and weapons to be superb than others, and get one shot one kill. Humans.:D

 

And a lot of players don't even know what is a Jf-17, they don't care a none-western/rus plane.:lol:

 

 

Well... they should.

 

 

Why even fly DCS if they want easy arcade?

[AeriaGloria]

Chiron the Aspide has been used air to air a lot, I think the Italians used it on their F-104s, and in PLAAF service as PL-11 has been used on J-8 and J-10.

 

I believe ED did say that the drag was very similar to Sparrow but of course lower from the smaller fins, so it made sense