announced DCS MiG-29A

[Seaeagle]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:29 AM, F-2 said:

Fingers crossed, I actually had made the request before ED announced the Fulcrum.

also maybe a detailed breakdown of R60 R73 and R27R. We’ll also see exactly how a Soviet Fulcrum differs from an export jet.

The jets the US purchased from Moldova were of the standard Soviet 9.13 version though, which were left behind as the Soviet Union disintegrated and Moldova became an independant country. So its not the MiG-29S(9.13S)  with the radar upgrade/R-77 compatibility and not an export item either.

Edited August 23, 2024 by Seaeagle

[AeriaGloria]

5 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

The jets the US purchased from Moldova were of the standard Soviet 9.13 version though, which were left behind as the Soviet Union disintegrated and Moldova became an independant country. So its not the MiG-29S(9.13S)  with the radar upgrade/R-77 compatibility and not an export item either.

 

No, but most of it will be applicable to 9-12/9-12A. Any information on the Gardeniya jammer installation is welcome as also. Other then Gardeniya and fuel hump, maybe some extra weapons in the FCS, I wouldn’t expect any differences from late 9-12/9-12A 

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Daily MiG-29
Russian 9.19

[Seaeagle]

On 8/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, AeriaGloria said:

No, but most of it will be applicable to 9-12/9-12A.

Sure, but then thats already very well documented - I am sure ED wouldn't have taken it on otherwise

On 8/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, AeriaGloria said:

Any information on the Gardeniya jammer installation is welcome as also.

Yes if there is any information to be had - i.e. that the ECM installation was still there on those aircraft. I remember talking to a former MiG-29 technician of the Romanian airforce, who told me that Romania recieved a couple of 9.13 airframes from Moldova(IIRC as a gift). But upon examining them, they were dissapointed to find that the ECM components had long since been removed from them.

On 8/24/2024 at 3:26 AM, AeriaGloria said:

Other then Gardeniya and fuel hump, maybe some extra weapons in the FCS, I wouldn’t expect any differences from late 9-12/9-12A 

Well fuel hump - its basically just an enarged version of fuel tank no. 1, but the fuel system as such was modified in a few ways, such as the possibility of carrying wing drop tanks, new fuel gauge to go with it as well as an extra feature for setting optional bingo fuel state(a dial on the fuel panel behind the ejection seat). But then this modified fuel system is already very well documented in the Luftwaffe flight manual,  since its basically this that they purchased as a kit for their 9.12 aircraft.

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

Sure, but then thats already very well documented - I am sure ED wouldn't have taken it on otherwise

Yes if there is any information to be had - i.e. that the ECM installation was still there on those aircraft. I remember talking to a former MiG-29 technician of the Romanian airforce, who told me that Romania recieved a couple of 9.13 airframes from Moldova(IIRC as a gift). But upon examining them, they were dissapointed to find that the ECM components had long since been removed from them.

Well fuel hump - its basically just an enarged version of fuel tank no. 1, but the fuel system as such was modified in a few ways, such as the possibility of carrying wing drop tanks, new fuel gauge to go with it as well as an extra feature for setting optional bingo fuel state(a dial on the fuel panel behind the ejection seat). But then this modified fuel system is already very well documented in the Luftwaffe flight manual,  since its basically this that they purchased as a kit for their 9.12 aircraft.

And how is the pilot notified of this bingo state? 

[Seaeagle]

1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said:

And how is the pilot notified of this bingo state? 

Voice warning. 

As you know, the original fuel system has a fixed bingo state indicated by a red line at the bottom of the fuelgauge tape, which is accompanied by a voice warning saying "550 kilogram remaining"(or something to that effect in Russian). This remains on the modified fuel system, but in addition an optional amount can be set via a dial on the fuel selection panel(located on the left side of the fusebox behind the ejection seat) - when this amount is reached, it triggers a voice warning IIRC saying something like "fuel -fuel" .

I guess the idea being, that rather than just being notified when you are about to run out of fuel, the additional warning can be set for a particular mission profile, so that the pilot gets a heads-up about when it is time to to start returning to base. 

[Seaeagle]

25 minutes ago, Seaeagle said:

..but in addition an optional amount can be set via a dial on the fuel selection panel(located on the left side of the fusebox behind the ejection seat) - when this amount is reached, it triggers a voice warning IIRC saying something like "fuel -fuel" .

Just checked up on this in the Luftwaffe manual:

- the dial in question to set desired bingo state is labelled; "ТОПЛ ВОЗНР" (fuel return).

- according to the luftwaffe manual the actual voice warning in the MiG-29G is; "BINGO FUEL - BINGO FUEL - BINGO FUEL"(but is obviously going to be something else in Russian).

[Ronin_Gaijin]

2 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

Just checked up on this in the Luftwaffe manual:

- the dial in question to set desired bingo state is labelled; "ТОПЛ ВОЗНР" (fuel return).

- according to the luftwaffe manual the actual voice warning in the MiG-29G is; "BINGO FUEL - BINGO FUEL - BINGO FUEL"(but is obviously going to be something else in Russian).

"Remaining 500kg"
"Remaining 800kg"
"Remaining 1500kg"

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Daily MiG-29
Slovak 9.12A (MiG-29AS)

[Dragon1-1]

9 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

Yes if there is any information to be had - i.e. that the ECM installation was still there on those aircraft.

The Gardeniya jammer is actually documented in public docs. Or rather, the general functions of its operating mode knob are. It's a fairly straightforward device to operate, though I don't know whether that's enough to model it. 

[Ronin_Gaijin]

33 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

The Gardeniya jammer is actually documented in public docs. Or rather, the general functions of its operating mode knob are. It's a fairly straightforward device to operate, though I don't know whether that's enough to model it. 

ECM documentation will make no difference in DCS, since ECM implementation in game is as basic as it gets.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Daily MiG-29
Russian 9.19

[Dragon1-1]

On 8/27/2024 at 12:37 AM, Ronin_Gaijin said:

ECM documentation will make no difference in DCS, since ECM implementation in game is as basic as it gets.

Not anymore. Viper and Hornet already made several steps in the right direction, for example radar priority/jammer priority/barrage jamming distinction. This is not "as basic as it gets", which now mostly applies to FC3 aircraft. Making the band selection meaningful by making the jammer affect only specific emitters depending on the settings is another straightforward upgrade, which we might yet see. That alone would make the switch in the cockpit quite meaningful.

Here's a good (if a bit clunky) summary of how Gardeniya works (ignore the part about Sorbtsiya, this is for Gardeniya). Only 7 and 8 are settings which we have in DCS right now, lock-breaking and barrage jamming. If the specific bands were implemented, 1 would likely be air to air, and 2 to 5 would be presets for various SAMs. Blinking and ground bounce are interesting modes, and their principles are well known. I hope that once ED is done with the radar modes, they'll look into this. 

[Ronin_Gaijin]

On 8/28/2024 at 3:50 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

Not anymore. Viper and Hornet already made several steps in the right direction, for example radar priority/jammer priority/barrage jamming distinction. This is not "as basic as it gets", which now mostly applies to FC3 aircraft. Making the band selection meaningful by making the jammer affect only specific emitters depending on the settings is another straightforward upgrade, which we might yet see. That alone would make the switch in the cockpit quite meaningful.

Here's a good (if a bit clunky) summary of how Gardeniya works (ignore the part about Sorbtsiya, this is for Gardeniya). Only 7 and 8 are settings which we have in DCS right now, lock-breaking and barrage jamming. If the specific bands were implemented, 1 would likely be air to air, and 2 to 5 would be presets for various SAMs. Blinking and ground bounce are interesting modes, and their principles are well known. I hope that once ED is done with the radar modes, they'll look into this. 

I only fly redfor jets (FC3 and FF that do not have such detailed or strong radars).
Redfor does not have the level of realism that the main ED modules (Fighting Falcon, Hornet) have.
I am hoping ED will get it right and the 9.12A simulation will be just as good.

[Seaeagle]

On 8/27/2024 at 12:00 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

The Gardeniya jammer is actually documented in public docs. Or rather, the general functions of its operating mode knob are. It's a fairly straightforward device to operate, though I don't know whether that's enough to model it. 

Yeah I know, but many other things about the 9.13 are too. 

I could be wrong, but my impression is that F2 hopes the information he has requested through FOI will reveal a level of information about the aircraft beyond what has previously been available. 

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Daily MiG-29
Slovakian 9.12A

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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Russian 9.13

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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Russian 9.19

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Ukrainian 9.13 "Ukrainian Falcons"

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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Russian 9.19

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Malaysian 9.12SD (MiG-29N)

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Brand new 9.47 (MiG-29M2)

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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Indian 9.12B upgraded (MiG-29UPG)

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Daily MiG-29
Pair of Bulgarian 9.12A